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- From: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
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- Subject: understanding and intuition/Also, A question
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- References: <1992Dec23.103909.28251@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 09:07:16 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec23.103909.28251@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
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- > I'm not expressing this very well, so maybe an example will
- > help. There is a word "tarof" in Persian that is usually
- > translated as "ceremonial politeness". It actually has
- > no translation or English counterpart. This concept is central
- > to many Iranian inter personal relations and affects the
- > social relations in a fundemental way. Although I can
- > describe this, many of the subtleties or "feel" of this
- > cultural component is beyond language. Any thoughts?
-
- Yes, Aboriginal people here have used this word "feel", in saying to a
- white person, "You have a good feel for our blackfella way". They also
- say things like, "Oh, you like our way. Good!", as part of encouraging
- you towards the ceremonies they have in mind for you (that you do not
- know about yet).
-
- After that, they will simply call you by your Aboriginal name, or by
- an activity you have excelled at as among their own people, for example
- (in Tiwi):
-
- ngapungkerajini (= good hunter)
- menangupurantji (= good dancer)
-
- I do think proper transition into any culture probably takes the same
- route, although certainly Chinese have their own far more patient and
- lengthy period toward *guan xi* (proper relationship) with China. Some
- things in life are not to be rushed.
-
- > I also have a more direct question. I am definately a
- > non-specialist (!) but I did do an undergraduate thesis.
- > I am now on break and am mulling over some of the problems
- > I encountered. A large problem that later was the foundation
- > of the thesis was the difference between how a culture
- > describes ITSELF and events/cultural traits etc. that one
- > oberserves in contradiction to that description. Many present
- > and past (medieval) scholars incorporated as part of their
- > analysis the cultural's perception of itself. For a long
- > time I had a great deal of difficulty because some data just
- > could not be reconciled. Has anyone else encountered a
- > similar problem and if so, can you perhaps explain it more
- > clearly? Give more details?
-
- Hm, I myself think the challenge to be faced here is how the person who
- presented the data you find difficult to reconcile is to be approached,
- or challenged, or perhaps even ignored. The latter options are wrought
- with peril when that person is your academic supervisor, but of course
- all that is part of the "academic discipline", yes?
-
- Somebody posted here once that you might keep reading the literature
- until someone's theories set your blood on fire, then write to them
- asking to be their student. Also something about being brave . . .
-
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