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- From: stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng)
- Subject: Re: ROLLER-BRAKE Survey Results & Continued...
- In-Reply-To: pae@teal.csn.org's message of 21 Dec 92 20: 52:26 GMT
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:29:34 GMT
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- In article <BzMnBE.1vy@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
-
- >>Put simply, same stopping geometry as pads(rear pad) but with ABS - anti-lock
- >>braking.
-
- >Now, this is an interesting analogy! Did you know that ABS is *not* the
- >most efficient means of stopping a car? Threshold braking -- applying braking
- >force to the threshold of the surface's limit of traction -- is the most
- >efficient means of stopping. On all surfaces.
-
- >It does take great skill to perform threshold braking. Instructors at the Ford
- >Ice Driving School in Steamboat Springs, CO, can do it, but they don't teach
- >it in their intro courses. I'd guess after a couple of weeks' worth of driving
- >on their ice'n'snow track that you could begin to learn how to do it.
-
- >One other comment about ABS: I'd be happier of *everybody* took a half-day ice
- >driving course than if *everybody* had ABS. We'd be better off if everyone
- >knew the limits of their vehicles and drove accordingly -- if they drove in
- >such a way that they didn't *need* to use the stopping power of an ABS. After
- >all, it doesn't do you a whole heck of a lot of good if *you* can stop but the
- >driver behind you can't. ABS won't help if you're not alert.
-
- Maybe the example isn't that bad you know. It should be easy to teach
- anyone with ABS how to threshold brake on a vehicle equipped with ABS.
- You apply brakes hard enough to activate the ABS system and then ease
- off until it stops pulsing. At that point you should be applying the
- maximum braking force without locking wheels...ie threshold braking.
-
- I do however agree with the last paragraph :).
-
- >>Having ridden the prototypes myself, it really is similar to stopping with
- >>ABS in a car to skidding in one without. Control is maintained since the
- >>braking "wheel" does not skid.
-
- >...which implies that control is *not* maintained when using traditional
- >brakes on in-lines. Woe unto your venture if you start emitting marketing
- >statements which utters "facts" like this.
-
- >Did you answer the question I asked before: is any of your team highly skilled
- >in traditional braking? Have you seen the "triangle" method that we describe
- >in the FAQ? This method gives you stability when stopping; it's the
- >breakthrough technique in braking technology.
-
- Somehow I really doubt you can get as much braking power from braking
- a single wheel (or two) as you can from heel brakes. The amount of
- pressure you can get from heel brakes can be tremendous. He's been
- rather vague on just how the system might work (understandably :) but
- unless you can put the majority of your weight on the brake (or have a
- much larger contact patch) it shouldn't work as well. If it is much
- easier to use (a la ABS) it may be useful though...assuming it has no
- undesired failure modes :).
-
- Either way...fast braking will require the user to have good fore-aft
- balance (as you mentioned). If you have that you can probably heel
- brake...
-
- >>Todd Stiers
-
- >--phil
- --
- Nigel Tzeng
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