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- From: perkins@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU
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- Subject: Re: Heraldic questions...
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- Date: 3 Jan 93 04:38:18 GMT
- References: <726022829.F00001@ocitor.fidonet>
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- In article <726022829.F00001@ocitor.fidonet>, Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org
- (Tim) writes:
- > Jeremy de Merstone wrote:
- >
- > P> While it may be true that efforts towards a *systematic* Latin blazoning
- > P> system date from the 1600s, it is demonstrably true that Latin blazoning
- > P> was used in period. The Matthew Paris rolls [c. 1260] have the arms
- > P> described primarily in Latin, as do many other heraldic documents of
- > P> Tadhg's "core period" in England and elsewhere (even in areas such as the
- > P> Holy Roman Empire which were outside of "Western Culture" by Tadhg's
- > P> definition). So this argument will not fly.
- >
- > Excuse me ... what "Tadhg's definition of Western Culture" are you (and
- > others, apparently) referring to here? I am not aware of defining "Western
- > Culture" at any time. I have specified the area from which I would prefer
- > to see us take our armorial style, and I am of opinion that that certainly
- > represents the CORE of the "Western Culture" that the SCA exists to
- > emulate, but at no time have I claimed that that area represents the
- > *whole* of "Western Culture".
- >
- > I'm more or less inured to catching flak for opinions that I *do* hold,
- > but I categorically refuse to be shot at for opinions that I *don't *
- > hold.
-
- I refer to the following, excerpted from a response he made to a posting by
- Arval in this very thread (header included so people can look up the rest of
- the article in question at their leisure):
-
- > From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
- > Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
- > Subject: Re: Heraldic questions...
- > Message-ID: <725737046.F00002@ocitor.fidonet>
- > Date: 30 Dec 92 02:49:15 GMT
- > Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
- >
- > I define "western culture" to include those areas that were part of the
- > western half of the Roman empire, a position for which I suggest that a
- > substantial case could be made. This means Britain, Gaul, Spain, Italy,
- > and I even look askance at most of Germany....
-
- I suppose that saying "A includes B" does not necessarily imply that
- "A does not include C", but the comment about Germany didn't sound like a
- "A DOES include C" to me (where A=="western culture" and C=="Germany", in
- this case). Other readers can make their own decisions about whether my
- apparent misinterpretation was justified, just as they can make their own
- decisions as to whether Tadhg's definition is reasonable. But I *do*
- contend that "I define..." represents a "definition".
-
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- Jeremy de Merstone George J Perkins perkins@msupa.pa.msu.edu
- North Woods, MidRealm East Lansing, MI perkins@msupa (Bitnet)
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