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- From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
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- Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
- Subject: Re: Heraldic questions...
- Message-ID: <725446268.F00004@ocitor.fidonet>
- Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:34:46
- Lines: 102
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- Arval wrote:
-
- JM> Thank you, Tadhg. Your position is now crystal clear ...
-
- Always has been, to those who care to listen.
-
- JM> ... and I agree that
- JM> this is how Laurel and much of the College of Arms views its role in the
- JM> SCA: "Our period deals with Western Europe". That is precisely the
- JM> problem: The corporation says that our period is "western culture", which
- JM> clearly includes more than just western Europe.
-
- Pray elucidate the logic behind that conclusion; I must confess it
- escapes me. I am particularly interested to find out just what
- non-European "Western Culture" had "tournaments" and "jousts", which
- are specifically cited in the Articles of Incorporation (II.b) as
- exemplifying "activities and events which recreate the environment of
- said era".
-
- JM> The College of Arms is restricting the scope of the Society and in
- JM> doing so is overstepping its mandate.
-
- Incorrect. The College does not restrict the scope of the Society in
- any way, it merely restricts the scope of what it will register. This
- is well within its mandate, as may be discovered by reading Corpora
- IV.C.2 and IV.C.3.
-
- JM> Corpora states that Laurel's job is to develop rules that "support the
- JM> historical recreations of the Society". Not "the historical
- JM> recreations of the College of Arms" and not "the subset of the
- JM> historical recreations of the Society that appeal to Laurel", but the
- JM> historical recreation of the ENTIRE Society.
-
- And any *historical* recreation will have as one of its characteristics
- a consistent armorial style, as any period heraldic jurisdiction
- demonstrably had.
-
- What Corpora does *not* say (although you appear to believe that it
- does) is that Laurel's job is to develop rules (or, rather, a lack of
- them) that will accomodate the "I want what I want" recreations of the
- ENTIRE Society, which far too often contain elements that are
- misinformed or misapplied.
-
- JM> You are quite correct that each medieval heraldic jurisdiction
- JM> developed a consistent style. The SCA is not a medieval heraldic
- JM> jurisdiction.
-
- We are, however, attempting to emulate one. Granted that there are
- areas in which our emulations must necessarily compromise with
- authenticity; this, however, is not one of them.
-
- JM> We are not creating, we are re-creating. Our goal as an organization
- JM> is to study and reproduce what they did, not to create something new.
-
- I can think of nothing more "new" than the hodge-podge that you've been
- advocating. Your arguments appear rather ... inconsistent, shall we say.
-
- JM> You are interested in developing a consistent style, and as an
- JM> individual artisan you are welcome to pursue that goal, but that is
- JM> not the purpose of the Society nor is it the purpose of the College of
- JM> Arms.
-
- You are intrested in exploring all of the cultural diversity available
- to the broad period that we cover, and as an individual artisan you
- are welcome to pursue that goal; but, however much that may be the
- purpose of the Society (an assertion I think open to challenge), that
- is not the purpose of the College of Arms, nor has it been over the
- last quarter century.
-
- JM> Corpora does not direct Laurel to develop a consistent style.
-
- Neither does it direct Laurel to let in anything that can be found to
- have happened at least once in period.
-
- JM> You prefer to deal with the armory of western Europe, and as an
- JM> individual artisan you are welcome to choose your matter as you wish,
- JM> but that is not the scope of the Society.
-
- As an individual artisan, you are welcome to choose your matter as you
- wish; I trust you'll pardon me if I choose to follow my own judgment in
- this respect rather than submit to your dogmatic decrees regarding what
- constitutes "the scope of the Society".
-
- JM> Corpora does not empower Laurel to re-define the scope of the Society.
-
- Nor does he do so, misapprehensions to the contrary notwithstanding.
-
- JM> Individually we may study, re-create, and teach whatever we wish; if
- JM> we accept the responsibility of being officers of the corporation then
- JM> we are bound to support all of the Society.
-
- No, we are merely obliged to support those elements of the Society who
- attempt to advance the avowed purposes of the Society. We are not just
- in a play, at liberty to make it up as we go along; we are bound
- (however tenuously) to authenticity, and so long as we constitute a
- single Known-World-wide unitary heraldic jurisdiction, that requirement
- of authenticity binds us to have a consistent armorial style, whether
- adopted from a period jurisdiction or developed on our own account.
-
- Tadhg, Obelisk
-
- * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
-