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- From: dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe)
- Subject: Re: poor technique (actually, modified-technique)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.225743.5083@netcom.com>
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- References: <JON.92Dec29120826@zeus.med.utah.edu> <4451@unisql.UUCP> <63101@mimsy.umd.edu>
- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:57:43 GMT
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- In article <63101@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
- >wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
- >>
- >> A tournament _must_ be less than realistic, or it would be
- >>actual combat and not a tournament at all. There are different approaches
- >>to make this unreality happen. [...]
-
- > Pads and/or armor.
-
- In a recent sparring-technique class we were discussing the appropriate
- degree of force when using gloves (which we were). A paraphrase from
- Grandmaster The': "There is no perfect protective padding. If you have
- a $25 helmet and I give you a $50 punch, $25 in change has to come out
- somewhere..." We use pads to avoid cuts and abrasions to ourselves and
- our partners. You can easily still severely injure a person with a
- relatively modest blow to the right place, even wearing gloves/pads.
-
- If your fa jing is good, you can strike right through typical TKD-style
- padding and do harm. I inadvertantly knocked the wind out of a fellow
- student in our school demonstrating this when he came armored in his
- old TKD chest protector. (My point was that he needed to convince his
- partners to take it easier on him while he was learning rather than to
- armor himself; sadly I misjudged the force generated by a so-called
- "zero-inch punch"... :-/ )
-
- I've heard also that there was a brief experiment made to make professional
- boxers wear leather helmets like olympic boxers. The latter are playing for
- points and only go 3 rounds. The former are going to exhaustion for a
- knockout. What happened, supposedly, was that when there were no helmets,
- the gloves would do less damage on head shots due to slipping on sweat.
- Sure, you got more cuts and bruises. With leather helmets, the gloves
- would adhere more and much more force would be transmitted into the head
- of the receiver of the blow, increasing the incidence (or at least risk)
- of more severe head injury. I don't know anything more specific; that's
- just what I've heard.
-
- > Limited techniques and targets.
-
- We do this. If I can hit you above your eye with the heel of my palm, I
- could have stuck my fingers in your eye. If I can kick you hard in the
- shin and thigh, I can kick your knee. If I can grab your collar at your
- throat and slam you into the floor, I could have grabbed your throat and
- done the same.
-
- The answer my senior instructors give when potential students ask if they
- "fight full contact" is: "We go full contact against bags. We reduce the
- amount of force when sparring and modify the techniques for safety." [in
- the manner I described]
-
- > Conditioning.
-
- Agreed. Also practice "receiving jing" or whatever the correct name is
- for absorbing the force of your attacker for your use.
-
- >We wear hand and foot pads, headgear and mouthpieces; women wear chest
- >pads and men wear cups.
-
- We wear gloves occasionally and ramp up the level of force a few notches.
- All other times we go bare-fisted. Men usually wear cups. We all usually
- wear mouthpieces. The only time I don't is when sparring with a much
- junior student, so I can tell him what to do, look for, what he missed,
- what he hit, etc. We also optionally use shin pads for our own protection
- (against the occasional shin-shin sweep or well-placed elbow-blocks).
-
- >No one
- >engages in kumite until they reach green belt - about a year of training -
- >so they have the necessary control to not hurt others and the necessary
- >conditioning to be hit and not be injured.
-
- We just slow it down so they have more time to think about what is happening.
-
- D
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- Dave Smythe N6XLP dsmythe@netcom.com (also dsmythe@cs.stanford.edu)
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