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- From: todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner)
- Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
- Subject: Re: Just Curious...
- Keywords: Traditional Martial Arts, Evolution
- Message-ID: <1993Jan2.024200.10224@reed.edu>
- Date: 2 Jan 93 02:42:00 GMT
- Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan2.024200.10224
- References: <1992Dec8.151505.8324@walter.cray.com> <50040221@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com>
- Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
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- When one of my teachers started training in the martial arts his mother and
- grandmother didn't ask him "Does X teach a traditional martial art?" or even
- "What martial art does he teach?". They asked him "Can he fight?" In that vein:
-
- In article <50040221@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com> rterry@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Ray Terry) writes:
- >The Koreans, as do the Japanese and Chinese and ..., like to claim that they
- >can trace the martial arts "in their homeland" back to some very early date
- >in history. For some reason they all want to be able to claim that martial
- >arts were born there. Does it really matter? IMHO, no, it doesn't. An
- >older martial art is not necessarily a more effective martial art....
-
- This has always amused, bemused, and confused me. The "my art is n years old"
- thing (where n has to be expressed in scientific notation) "and we teach it
- _exactly_ as the Master taught it, no changes at all", that is. People say
- this with great pride, as if it makes their art and their practice better
- than something with a shorter pedigree. I would find this attitude sad if it
- were not funny or maybe funny if it were not sad, and here is why:
-
- None of our Arts, not one, sprung fully grown de novo from the brow of Zeus.
- Each of them came from something else and was the result of people learning
- from their teachers and from their own experience. Furthermore, as the founder
- of an art encounters different people and as his body and mind change over
- time. The art you would learn from him/her at 30 may be completely different
- from what s/he teaches at 60. This may account for arguments among students
- about what the "real" art as taught by the founder was. They simply learned
- from their instructor at different times in his/her life and the development
- of his/her art. So what we see here is that people practicing the "original
- unmodified art" are practicing exactly what was passed down by a particular
- person to a particular person at a particular time in their lives.
-
- I said above that arts evolve, and I think this bears a little examination.
- Martial arts do not evolve in a vacuum. Not only the founders' personal
- conditions but their social and martial environment must be kept in mind. An
- art which developed in the warm, wet, mountainous forests of Sumatra with
- unsure footing and limited visibility will needs be different one which
- evolves in the cold open plains of Manchuria. What people wear, the weapons
- and tools they use, whether they ride horses, walk, or paddle boats, the
- martial arts of the people they fight, and the work they do all affect the
- way they fight. If Tae Kwon Do really were two thousand years old and hadn't
- changed since then it might be perfect for fighting people on horseback
- dressed in armor if you are a Hwarang warrior or a peasant. It might need
- some modification to be optimal for fighting boxin' wrasslin' football
- playin' farm boys from El Paso. I personally do not train much with the sai,
- the bo, the Kwan Dao, or certain other traditional weapons. I train with the
- tools and weapons I use every day and am more likely to come up against,
- the machete and hoe (we are starting a farm), the small knife, gun, stick,
- and pick handle. I also spend more time learning how to deal with boxers
- and wrestlers than I do learning how to fight people on horseback, people with
- armor and swords, or people dressed in sarongs. In short, different conditions
- and environments dictate different development of one's art and practive, the
- way one expresses the art one learns.
-
- Even if the "original art" were perfect for the founder and perfectly appli-
- cable for our situation it would still not be a perfect art which should
- never be changed. We are not identical to our teachers, and what works for
- them may not work perfectly for us. For example, let's consider the assistant
- instructor at the school I attend. He's a fantastic boxer, and I want to learn
- everything he has to teach me. But I can't fight the way he does, nor should
- I. Guro Matt is at least 6'6" with long arms and long strong legs for his
- height. I'm built like a 5'9" brick and have to modify what I am taught
- accordingly. Similarly Pak Serak, the founder of the Silat system of which
- I study two expressions, had one arm, one good leg, one clubfoot, and other
- physical conditions which affected the way he fought. I have two arms, two
- legs, bad eyes, and no contractures. Thus it would not make sense for me to
- train in the original art with no modifications whatsoever.
-
- ON THE OTHER HAND I AM NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD NOT APPLY OURSELVES AND TRY
- LIKE HELL TO LEARN EVERYTHING OUR TEACHERS AND THEIR ARTS HAVE TO TEACH US.
- The people we learn from have spent years making mistakes and making tech-
- niques work for them. It would be stupid not to take advantage of their
- experience and the generations of people who have come before them. I am
- trying to say that the people who are proud of never having an original idea
- and never learning a thing from the fights they get into are missing the point
- of the martial arts. They are turning them into a lifeless, unchanging thing.
- This is both historically ludicrous and willfully blind to the way the Arts
- have evolved and must continue to evolve if they are to remain vital useful
- practices.
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- Todd Ellner todd@reed.edu
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