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- From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
- Subject: Re: Finishing techniques
- Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 14:25:01 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.142501.26227@srg.srg.af.mil>
- References: <1992Dec29.004930.13723@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <1hs071INNlkv@pith.uoregon.edu> <1992Dec30.101825.1589@crash>
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- In article <1992Dec30.101825.1589@crash> jfrost@crash.cts.com (Julian Frost) writes:
- >Arrgggh!!! What a load of bunk!! Think back to first principles of
- >Aikido, Guys!! Number 1, get off the line of attack, Number 2, Break
- >Uke's BALANCE (by extending his motion), Number 3,....
-
- There are other ways of breaking uke's balance - uke's motion is strong
- during particular interval of time. If you can time the powerful phase of your
- motion before OR after this interval, you can snag control of their center. So,
- not only can you extend their motion, you can also jam it if you move early
- enough.
- Cranking the arm to change their posture seems like a legitimate method
- of controlling uke's center. I was not aware that Ueshiba condemned it.
-
- >whatever! If you can't do this, that's fine, you (like me) need more
- >training, but don't say that what is being taught is a corruption! It
- >isn't!
-
- Whether something is corrupt or not is a question of what context
- you're coming from.
-
- >See above! If you're using the wrist correctly, his center WILL be
- >affected in the way you describe. Practise, practise, practise!!
-
- Conceivably, you could capture someone's center by twisting their
- pinky - it takes a lot of finesse (and a real chump for an uke), but the wrist
- would give you a better chance of success. One might expect that control of
- the elbow/forearm would give an even better chance of success.
-
- >My aikido is not perfect, never said (or thought) it was.
-
- Mine is horrible - especially since I haven't practiced it in a while.
-
- > But let's
- >try to be true to the real thing!
-
- If I remember correctly, the consensus seems to be that Ueshiba's
- Aikido changed throughout his life, and that uchi-deshi from different phases
- of Ueshiba's development have different styles of Aikido. Ueshiba himself told
- his students not to rigidly imitate him - they should discover their own
- Aikido.
- So...how do you determine the real thing? By adherence to principles?
- No one has mentioned anything which violate aikido principles.
- If you don't want to call Andy's technique a kote-gaeshi, we can
- follow the time honored tradition of calling it a kokyu-nage!
-
- According to Mochizuki sensei, nobody out here today practices Aikido
- the way that Ueshiba practiced it. His opinion was that Ueshiba's Aikido was
- optimized for Ueshiba's personality and physical structure. (I wonder what he
- thinks about Saito Sensei's Aikido?)
- So long as you stick to the principles, philosophy, and it *works*,
- then its probably real enough, don't you think?
-
-
- --
- Stephen Chan
- uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
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