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- From: ras@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Shandross)
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- Subject: Re: attack vs. harmony
- Message-ID: <1992Dec25.070906.10915@athena.mit.edu>
- Date: 25 Dec 92 07:09:06 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec24.231856.6361@desire.wright.edu> jchristian@desire.wright.edu writes:
-
- <snipped out previous quotes>
- >
- >But where does disharmony begin? I have my doubts that we can ever really know
- >the true cause of things, or whether it can be said that anything really has a
- >single cause. Because of that, I have my doubts about whether we can say we
- >are maintaining harmony by not attacking, when in fact the harmony may already
- >be broken.
- >
- >What if I'm walking down the street one night on the college nightclub strip
- >and some guy swing at me out of nowhere? Do I have to wait for him to attack?
- >Do I hope for that oh-so-reliable "I just won't be there" mind power? If I see
- >this guy giving me looks while I'm walking, and he comes up to me and gives me
- >a hard but painless shove, do I wait for him to do something more dangerous, or
- >do I react off that one attack that was obviously not meant to hurt me?
- >
-
- <...lots of further questions and examples>
-
- Interesting question(s). I don't see it from such a micro-management perspec-
- tive as you've described. That is, it is not what the person does that
- defines whether they are in harmony, but rather what is "in their heart."
- As to the `correct' response, that too is a matter of keeping (as Koichi Tohei
- puts it) "the spirit of love and protection" in your heart as you respond.
- You must have a strong fighting spirit, but the intent is to right the wrong,
- not to wreak revenge. (Lot's of "r" sounds in that sentence!)
-
- I see the harmony as being broken the moment the person turns their intent
- towards that effect. In response, you do what you have to do to protect
- yourself and everything else, including the attacker - to the extent that he
- lets you. So if he is intent on penetrating your defense, he has forfeited his
- own safety to the exact extent of his effort and your ability to protect
- yourself without hurting him.
-
- As I see it, the "spirit" Tohei refers to includes a spirit of forgiveness
- for petty insults, so if you insult someone that is no justification, on a
- universal scale, for him to cream you in the local bar next Tuesday. The
- "most harmonious" response depends on his investment in you as a friend or
- associate, past history, and a zillion other factors. Unless you ruined his
- reputation and he wants to file suit to get it back or take out an ad in the
- local paper for the same result, about the most serious consequence I can see
- being within the bounds of harmony would be to ignore you.
-
- Yes, you can get caught up worrying about the cycle of karma to the point of
- distraction. But what's done is done; worry about what you are doing at the
- moment and in the future. If you embrace that "spirit of love and protection
- for all living things" at every opportunity, and take responsibility for your
- actions in the sense of admitting your mistakes and trying to correct them in
- the future (without giving away your own rights in your zeal to "make up"), you
- needn't worry about the minute details of cosmic balance.
-
-
- >Is the attacker always going to be the one who's breaking the harmony? Is it
- >possible for the defender to break the harmony by not dealing with the
- >confrontation? And does it even matter? I assume it does, so that we don't
-
- This is an interesting question. I think that part of "the harmony" is that we
- each have the responsibility of learning to protect ourselves and then actually
- doing so when necessary. In that context, by not doing so one becomes part of
- the breaking of the harmony. BUT, that in no way relieves the attacker of
- their responsibility to allow others to live in peace. So I think that both
- are responsible to some extent for the harm that ensues. I tend to think of
- the attacker as somehow more responsible, though.
-
-
- >
- >Jeff
-
- Rich
-