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- From: gmk@falstaff.MAE.CWRU.EDU (Geoff Kotzar)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: Case Capacity of Mag. vs. Spl.
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- Date: 23 Dec 92 22:59:50 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec23.024048.9044@ncsu.edu> hes@ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes:
- #
- # A couple of postings have pointed out that the .44 Mag.
- #case has more capacity than does the .44 Spl case. While
- #this is true, it might not be true when the entire situation
- #is considered. This also applies to the .357 Mag vs .38 Spl
- #cases.
- #
- # Here are some specs (taken from the Lyman 47th ed Manual)
- #
- #Caliber Case Length Max. OAL (lengths in inches)
- #.44 Mag 1.285 1.610
- #.44 Spl 1.16 1.615
- #
- #.357Mag 1.290 1.590
- #.38 Spl 1.155 1.55
- #
- #Note that for each pair there is a substantial difference in
- #case length, but basically no difference in max. overall length.
- #If the two cartridges are loaded, with the same bullet, to the
- #same overall length - then the case volume *below the bullet*
- #will be the same. I claim that it is this below the bullet volume
- #which is relevant to internal ballistics, pressures, etc. The
- #difference between the two cases will be the depth (relative to the
- #case mouth) to which the bullet will be seated (it will be deeper
- #in the Mag. case.)
- #
- # If the bullets are seated so that the resulting overall lengths
- #of the two rounds are different, then there will be different
- #below the bullet volumes in the two. But loading to the same
- #overall length eliminates this difference. I find it strange that
- #the Speer #11 manual doesn't give OAL's.
- #
- # Therefore I don't see any difference resulting from the
- #different case lengths, and it would appear that any load
- #safe in the Spl. should be equally safe in the Mag. Am I
- #missing something?
- #
- #--henry schaffer
- #
-
- Most bullets come with crimp grooves in only one location. The usual procedure
- is to crimp the case mouth in the crimp groove. Shorter cases will result in
- shorter OAL's and reduced internal capacity. For those bullets with multiple
- crimp grooves what you say is true. For example, Lyman's 358156 has two crimp
- grooves allowing its use in .38's and .357's while maintaining essentially
- the same OAL. If I remember correctly, the OAL's are not identical so powder
- charges are not identical. And remember that the crimp plays a non-trivial
- role in obtaining proper ignition and as such cannot be eliminated.
-
-
- geoff kotzar
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