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- From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: Silver Soldering
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.182959.18983@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 18:46:02 GMT
- Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu
- Organization: Twilight Zone
- Lines: 62
- Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu
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- In article <1992Dec22.035540.5903@ncsu.edu> hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes:
- #In article <1992Dec21.204825.4581@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
- ## ... The critical question is melting point. You COULD
- ## hard solder this, but that requires temperatures in the neighborhood
- ## of 1400 degree F. To appyly this heat to a muzzle would draw the
- ## temper out of the steel and your barrel would burst in short order.
- #
- # Brownells has one high silver content solder "Silvaloy 355 Silver
- #Solder" which is "56% silver; Cadmium-Free" and melts at 1145 F, flows
- #at 1205 F.
-
- Question is, can you heat a barrel to that temp. without wrecking it?
- I am highly skeptical that this can be done. It will certainly
- draw the temper out of the steel, which will leave it 1/2 hard at
- the very best, abd probably less so. Not only that, but heating a
- barrel to that temp., especially at one end only, is virtually
- guaranteed to distort the barrel over its length. Hard soldering
- seems to be right out, as far as I can see. Anyone know anything
- to the contrary?
-
- #(Note that being cadmium free makes it less dangerous to health.)
-
- Good point. Cadmium fumes are VERY poisonous. Cadmium solders
- are considered cheap grade in either case, so you may as well
- stay healthy and avoid them. I believe the Cad. is used to lower
- the melting point, and probably to improve wetting (this is a
- measurement of how well the solder flows and adheres to the surface
- of the pieces being soldered).
- #
- ##
- ## The soft, plumbers solder melts around 400-450 degrees, approx. This
- # ^^^^^^^^
- # Is this silver? The plumbers solder I know about is lead/tin and
- #would be considered "soft solder".
- #
-
- There's lots of Ag-Sn solders out there for plumbers these days.
- E.g. here in the NaziGarden State (NJ) all building codes
- statewide require use of solders with zero lead content in all
- new plumbing work. Lead WILL leach out of the solder in your
- joints, especially if your water pH is in any way acidic (< 7.0).
-
-
-
- # Jewelers use an array of silver solders with different melting
- #points so that as work progresses they can use lower temp solder
- #and avoid melting already soldered joints. Here is a progressions
- #of 4 such (all cadmium free):
- #
- #Name %silver Melting Pt. Flow Pt.
- #Extra-Easy 56 1145F 1207F
- #Easy 65 1240 1325
- #Medium 70 1275 1360
- #Hard 75 1365 1450
- #
- Worked in casting houses on 47th street in Manhattan as a model maker.
- We used to make our own bt mixing grades. This becomes necessary
- when doing delicate work that has LOTS of joints (like 50 or 100).
- Very hard work to do right, but man oh man do you get good with a
- torch!
-
- -Andy V.
-