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- From: karplus@cse.ucsc.edu (Kevin Karplus)
- Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
- Subject: Re: Automatic transmissions for bikes
- Date: 2 Jan 1993 06:01:42 GMT
- Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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- Keywords: torque power cadence
-
- If someone were to try to sell me an automatic transmission for a
- bike, I think I would like the transmission to attempt to maintain
- constant cadence, but to have an easily accessible shift lever (bar end or
- thumb lever, depending on hadlebar style) that controls what the
- setpoint for the cadence is.
-
- When I'm manually controlling the gears, I've found that I tend to be
- most comfortable with a cadence a little less than 90rpm (1.5Hz), for
- almost any power output, but when I'm very tired and putting out low
- power, I'll sometimes prefer a lower cadence. Although I've made
- several conjectures about what my optimum cadence should be, as a
- function of power, my attempts to measure it on an ergometer have not
- been very conclusive---the optimum is fairly broad, and the
- measurement error in determining efficiency far exceeds the effect of
- even fairly large changes in cadence.
-
- Given that I sit to ride up hills, I think I would be pretty happy
- with a transmission that tried to maintain constant cadence, but
- really annoyed at one that tried to maintain constant torque.
- My biggest concern would be getting stuck in a high gear after a
- stop---that happens to me too often already with manual shifting, and
- an automatic transmission would probably have even more trouble
- downshifting fast enough during a stop. About the only time I stand
- on my bike is starting up again when I've had to stop in a high gear.
- (I'm thinking of getting a recumbent--what do recumbent riders do when
- accidentally caught in too high a gear?)
-
- I am not a racer, and I doubt that automatic transmissions would ever
- be popular with racers, but they sure would be handy for city traffic,
- where I already need both hands for signalling, steering, and braking.
-
- Of course, I'm not willing to give up gear range for automatic shifting.
- I currently have a range of about 4.16:1 from top to bottom gear, and
- I could use a wider range, if it were available, since my speed range is
- more like 10:1 (lots of 10% grades, and I often pull a heavy trailer).
- I would be willing to have fairly coarse spacing (say 1.2:1 between
- adjacent gears). I don't see any way to get a sufficiently wide range
- from just a rear derailleur (the widest range I've seen is only about
- 3:1), and I'm not sure I would trust an automatic derailleur to coordinate
- double shifts.
-
- I've ridden Sturmey-Archer 3-speeds and 5-speeds, and consider them
- superior to derailleurs for city riding in flat country--they are low
- maintenance devices, and allow the use of sturdy chains that don't
- need to be replaced every 5000 miles. (With a chainguard that keeps
- out road grit, chains for three-speeds last an extremely long time.)
- Unfortunately, existing hub gears don't have a wide enough range for
- the hills I now have to ride in.
-
-
-
- --
- Kevin Karplus karplus@ce.ucsc.edu
-
- Due to budgetary constraints the light at the end of the tunnel is
- being turned off.
-