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- From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
- Subject: Re: Phil Wood hubs
- Message-ID: <1992Dec26.224324.8712@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
- Sender: news@beaver.cs.washington.edu (USENET News System)
- Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
- References: <1992Dec23.163558.7028@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> <Bzrsy7.L9I@news.water.ca.gov> <1992Dec25.070007.21338@csi.uottawa.ca>
- Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 22:43:24 GMT
- Lines: 44
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- >stevec@water.ca.gov writes:
- >>[Solid axles are heavier but stronger.]
-
- kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:
- >[The QR skewer fills the hollow axle hole, and the nuts are about the
- > same weight as the QR. Probably a few grams lighter. And the material
- > in the center of a solid axle doesn't help the axle resist bends.]
-
- The bolt-on axles used by Phil Wood and Bullseye are attatched using
- allen-head bolts inserted from the ends. The hollow space in the
- middle of the axle is filled with air, so the axle assembly is lighter.
-
- Digressionary story:
-
- I was talking with a guy working in a shop, he had replaced his
- Aluminum Bullseye axles with Titanium axles. I asked why -- ``to save
- weight.'' Time for some mechanics...
-
- - Titanium is denser than Aluminum. Any time you replace a given
- volume of Al with the same volume of Ti, you add weight. Maybe
- strength, too, but using Ti this way makes things heavier.
-
- - You can often replace a given amount of Al with less Ti, with the
- result you have a stronger part that weighs the same or a lighter part
- that is just as strong. In the case of axles, though, he replaced the
- fat Bullseye Al axle with a skinny Ti axle. The biggest load on hubs
- is a bending load and the strength of the axle in that direction
- increases as the square of the axle diameter (? something faster than
- linear), so having a fat axle is more important than a skinny axle of
- a stronger material.
-
- I mentioned this and asked him if he had actually weighed the hubs
- before and after the axle change. He looked kinda embarassed and
- finally said that no, he hadn't, and he had probably wasted both his
- time and money by switching axles.
-
- >[Phil Wood hubs are pretty overbuilt...]
-
- Maybe so, but Phil hubs weigh in around 400g, Bullseye around 350g.
- That's in the same ballpark as a set of conventional freewheel-threaded
- hubs. So what you're getting for your money is better-placed material,
- not more of it.
-
- ;-D on ( Paying more and getting less ) Pardo
-