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- From: jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:45:21 GMT
- Subject: Re: Re: Chain Maintenance Question
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- Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
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- Subject: Re: Chain Maintenance Question
-
- Bernd Kischnick writes:
-
- > I don't know about those pins. Anyway, we cannot argue about
- > facts. the holes are slightly egg-shaped or they are not. Put a
- > side plate under your Tastschnittgeraet and check it, if you don't
- > believe it. As the holes are not drilled into the plates, it is
- > not to change their shape.
-
- After Bernd sent me some more assurances, I got myself some pieces
- of chain to measure and inspect. Bernd's claims are essentially
- correct about the odd shaped holes however the pitch discussion was
- apparently more a matter of semantics than dimensional. Here is
- what I found.
-
- For those not familiar with the Rohloff chain, it has the same
- construction as the Sedis Sport chain with the difference that the
- pins do not protrude as far as on the Sedis chain.
-
- I measured the Rohloff and the Sedis and found that Rohloff went a
- step further than Sedis but may be spinning its wheels in the sand.
- First I should point out that the outer plates into which the pins
- are pressed are spaced less than 1/2 inch to make up for the
- clearance in the "sleeves", that on the Sedis (and I assume on other
- chains) are spaced 1/2 inch apart. The Rohloff spaces these 0.5015
- inches apart for reasons that I do not understand. In any event,
- the following table shows some of the comparable dimensions.
-
- Sedis Rohloff
- ------------- -------------
- mm inch mm inch
- pin length 7.35 0.289 6.90 0.272
- pin diameter 3.65 0.1437 3.625 0.1427
- bearing hole 3.70 0.1456 3.775 0.1486
- over outer plates 6.50 0.256 6.50 0.256
- chain height 8.20 0.323 9.10 0.358
- outer plate thickness 1.15 0.0453 1.00 0.0394
- inner plate thickness 1.20 0.0472 1.00 0.0394
- outer plate centers 0.500 0.0197 0.5015 0.0197
- inner plate centers 12.624 0.497 12.497 0.492
- roller OD 7.65 0.301 7.75 0.305
- roller ID 5.334 0.2100 5.385 0.2120
- roller width 2.184 0.0860 2.095 0.0825
-
- As Bernd claimed, the pin bearing holes are "egg shaped" in that
- they have a pin fitting radius toward the end of the plate and a
- clearance hole radius on the inward side, both radii lying within
- the circle of the larger radius. That is, the hole is not elongated
- but has its sides pulled in to give a smaller radius for the pin
- bearing region.
-
- Among the detail that I noticed was that Rohloff pins have a visibly
- rougher surface finish than other chains but in contrast has a
- smoother and more cylindrical bearing surface for the rollers
- provided by the formed side plates that even have an undercut to
- avoid the radius found in the Sedis chain. The riveted ends of the
- Rohloff tend to crack when pressed out making reassembly possibly
- less reliable. The Sedis chain has its inner plates flared to make
- sprocket tooth engagement, a feature that would be even more
- appropriate for the Rohloff, it being even narrower than the Sedis.
-
- Wear and shifting ease are two principal concerns of a derailleur
- chain and I am not ready to make any claims that one of these is
- better in either department. I have had excellent success with the
- no longer available Regina CX-S that was exorbitantly expensive but
- had features that gave it an advantage in both departments.
-
- I was glad that Bernd convinced me to look and that there is still
- advancement in chains and that the dimensions and configuration is
- as deeply thought out as I found. I am sure there are more aspects
- that are even less obvious. Maybe Rohloff can include cut out side
- plates similar to those on the Regina asymmetric chain that shifted
- so well that without indexed shifting it could silently creep over
- to the next sprocket without complaining.
-
- jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
-