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- From: zstern@adobe.com (Zalman Stern)
- Subject: Re: Bike paths (FROM Re: Cycling and Environmentalism)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.021251.14428@adobe.com>
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- Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
- References: <1992Dec21.202018.28056@trintex.uucp>
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:12:51 GMT
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- > In article <19921221.071155.364@almaden.ibm.com> pershng@watson.ibm.com
- (John A. Pershing Jr.) writes:
- [On Sundays in the Summer they close the Bronx River Parkway for the
- exclusive use of bicyclists. Its chaos.]
-
- A simillar experience can be had on Sundays in San Francisco's Golden Gate
- Park. They also close La Canada road (runs down the peninsula below San
- Francisco along interstate 280) to cars one Sunday a month during the
- summer. I haven't ridden there though.
-
- In article <1992Dec21.202018.28056@trintex.uucp> elr@trintex.uucp (Ed Ravin)
- writes:
- > Welcome to the real world! This is what a shared facility is about --
- > cyclists and other wheeled things of all different skill levels.
- Remember,
- > before you can learn to ride well, you have to learn how to ride. I've
- > seen senior citizens on their rusty 3-speeds on the Bronx River Parkway
- > that I suspect would never ride bikes anywhere else. And where else could
- > a family with small kids go out for a group ride, but on a closed highway
- > or a bike path? I don't get onto a bikeway (or the Bronx River Parkway)
- > with an expectation that I will be able to speed towards my destination.
- > I go for the scenery and the smiling faces of the other users.
- >
-
- Which is all fine and well but don't claim this has noticeable impact on
- bicycle transportation. The message I get from John Forester is that he runs
- into a lot of people who look at bike paths and "bicycle Sundays" and say
- "Look at all the bicycles and no cars. Isn't it great!" Where he looks at it
- and sees lots of people going nowhere slowly in relative danger and says
- "What a waste of time and money."
-
- We don't close down roads for student drivers one Sunday a month. We let
- them learn in parking lots and put lots of energy into "driver's education."
- Simillar methods are effective for bicycling as a mode of transportation.
-
- Personally, I have no trouble seeing what John Forester objects to in the
- postings from Ed Ravin and Michael Smith. They just really hate cars. This
- biases their idea of what is good for bicyclists. It doesn't piss me off but
- it probably would if I had been fighting political battles with such people
- for as long as Dr. Forester has.
- --
- Zalman Stern zalman@adobe.com (415) 962 3824
- Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900
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