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- From: marc@gauss.math.mcgill.ca (Marc Sokolowski)
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- Subject: Automatic transmissions for bikes
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- Date: 27 Dec 92 22:42:39 GMT
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- Organization: Dept of Mathematics, McGill University
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- Hello Everybody,
-
- Some time ago I posted a request to get info about auto
- transmissions for bikes. Well, by chance I got hold of the article that
- started my quest. It is in the February '91 issue of Popular Mechanics, and
- it describes an 11 speed general purpose auto for bikes created by Keith
- Chilcote, former auto racing engineer, using a computer and magnetic speed
- sensors. The computer is to be equipped with a software that will adapt the
- shift pattern to the terrain and physical abilities of the cyclist, in order
- to keep him pedaling at an efficient 75 rpm.
- I have too received some replies to my initial post. All of them
- were suprisingly pessimistic, as many declared that there is no need for an
- auto transmission in bikes because of its intrinsic unpredictability and the
- special characteristics of the human "engine" vs your typical V8.
- Well, the point that a transmission is needed in high-performance
- bikes is a sure sign that human muscles don't provide a flat performance
- curve at all "pulses", just like a typical explosion engine at all rpm's,
- and I don't see why a sophisticated shifting algorithm wouldn't be able to
- at least approach the optimal way of shifting. The experience of Porsche's
- Tip-tronic transmission shows clearly that auto doesn't mean sluggish
- anymore. Besides, my personal experience makes me sick of having to shift,
- especially when I am suffering from high exhaustion on the way up a 20% hill.
- After all, the auto that is described in Popular Mechanics simply
- translates to being able to pedal from 0 to 3000 rpm without loss of torque,
- as seen from the point of view of the wheels (max torque being at 75 rpm
- from the cyclist's perspective).
- For me it is inevitable that not only autos will become a
- significant portion of bikes, including race bikes, but will very rapidly
- dominate, with only high quality manual transmissions surviving in high-end
- equipement. This because bikes are getting more and more popular for a
- boring task called commuting, and because of the similarity of evolution
- with cars, as autos got extremely popular (at least in NA) when high torque
- V6 and V8's that became available starting in the 50's only needed 3 forward
- speeds. Here, it's high performance electronics and miniturization of
- sensors, connexions etc... that will do the trick.
-
- Marc
-
- BTW: For cars, I *HATE* automatics, because there is still decreased
- performance (but I'll go for a tiptronic any day!) and increased fuel use,
- and because manuals give me something "intelligent" to do besides steering
- when I'm sitting in a car. This is a different story for a bike as
- infinitely more work is involved given you are the engine.
-