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- From: shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline)
- Newsgroups: rec.audio
- Subject: Re: CD/LD jitter: I certainly do get it! (Was: Kerry doesn't get it...)
- Message-ID: <shetline-030193204048@128.89.19.85>
- Date: 4 Jan 93 02:28:28 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan3.220805.9323@smab.se>, hans@smab.se (Hans C Larsson)
- wrote:
- >
- > The problem arises when an unstable pulse train is *RECEIVED* by
- > a D/A-converter *FROM* a digital transport.
- > (I.e. between *TWO* boxes.)
-
- I will take it that by 'between *TWO* boxes' you mean between the Theta
- transport and an outboard DAC, or equivalently, those functional units of
- any CD signal processing chain. Accordingly, I will use 'transport' to mean
- the combination of mechanical elements, laser pickup, and support circuitry
- that spin a disc and spit out a sequence of digital words representing the
- digital signal, and DAC to mean that which takes the digital signal and
- converts it to analog form.
-
- > The receiver has to Phase Lock on a square wave which might not
- > be very "square".
-
- The 'receiver', which by your previous usage I will take to mean the DAC,
- will get a consistently clocked signal from the transport. The transport,
- with its own small buffer and feedback to the servo motor that spins the
- disc, will have no trouble providing this regular signal. It in fact must,
- if for no better reason than as a side effect of the necessary data
- shuffling, error-detection and correction, and sub-code sifting that must
- precede output to the DAC.
-
- > From this you will get time-shift on the samples on the *RECEIVING*
- > end since (virtually) all D/A-converters lacks any significant
- > amount of buffer memory *COMBINED* with re-clocking of the signal.
- > (The only exception that I know of is the (horrendously expensive)
- > Technics SH-X1000 D/A converter).
-
- I don't see any time shift creeping anywhere, certainly not related to the
- mechanical characteristics of the transport when it is operating well
- enough not to skip or otherwise catastrophically fail. The DAC should need
- no buffer at all, since it is the responsibility of the transport to
- provide regular data, and only the transport that has the necessary
- connections to the disc servo motor to mechanically re-clock its output.
- The transport must be successful at this task, or it will fail outright by
- skipping or mistracking, not by allowing mechanical jitter to enter into
- the timing of the data stream.
-
- I would be interested in finding literature on this Technics DAC, which, if
- it isn't just high-end BS, must be more than just a DAC. I can think of no
- good reason for large buffers in a DAC except perhaps for digital signal
- processing or skip protection. (The latter wouldn't function without some
- sort of control signal from the DAC back to the transport.)
-
- -Kerry
-