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- From: wkb@cbnews.cb.att.com (wm.keith.brummett)
- Subject: Re: Another Sub Woofer question
- Organization: AT&T
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 15:35:35 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan1.153535.19938@cbnews.cb.att.com>
- References: <1992Dec31.170723.12609@colorado.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec31.170723.12609@colorado.edu>,
- baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin) writes:
- >
- > I have a Yamaha RXV-850 reciever and an Infinity 10" subwoofer
- > powered with 100 Watts.
-
- Since I believe the RX-V850 is rated at 80wpc, are you saying that your
- subwoofer has a built-in (or external) 100W amplifier?
-
- > From answers to a previous post, I have gathered that to reap the
- > maximum benifits from the sub-woofer, I need to include a crossover
- > so that signals going to the main speakers are devoid of lower
- > frequencies ( say < 200 HZ ).
-
- You gather correctly, although with a single subwoofer you should be
- looking at a crossover frequency below 100 Hz. 200 is high enough that
- your ears will be able to locate the sound source (the subwoofer).
- Below 100 Hz, you'll probably get the impression that the deep bass is
- coming from the main speakers. 80 Hz would be even better, but your
- main speakers should have good response down to an octave below that
- (40 Hz).
-
- > Does the crossover connect to the high level main speaker terminals
- > of the reciever and then divide the signal to the mains and the
- > subwoofer?
-
- Well, I'm not up on these fancy A/V receivers, so I don't know what the
- Yamaha does. It may have a built-in crossover. (Well, it certainly
- has a low-pass section for the subwoofer out. The question is: does it
- have a similar high-pass section for the main speakers and, if so, how
- does one invoke it?).
-
- Subwoofer crossovers can be passive or active. A passive crossover is
- almost always included in a non-powered subwoofer. The implementation
- is to run speaker wires from the receiver's main outputs to the input
- terminals on the sub. Low signals are routed to the sub's driver(s),
- and high signals are sent to a pair of output terminals. The output
- terminals are then connected to your main speakers with more speaker
- wire.
- __________________
- passive crossover: | |
- (inside subwoofer) | receiver |
- |__________________|
- ________ | | spkr outputs ________
- | | | | | |
- | L | ___|__|___ | R |
- | spkr |--------------| sub- |--------------| spkr |
- | | | woofer | | |
- |________| |__________| |________|
-
-
- Active (or line-level) crossovers require that the subwoofer be powered
- by a different amp than the receiver itself. This amp can be external
- or built into the subwoofer cabinet. In use, a line-level pre-amp-out
- signal from the receiver is fed to the active crossover. The crossover
- splits the signal, and sends the lows to the sub amp, and the highs back
- to the receiver via line-level main-in jacks. The main speakers are
- connected to the receiver in a normal manner.
-
- active crossover: __________________
- | |
- ,--------------| receiver |--------------,
- | |__________________| |
- ____|___ pre-out | | | | main-in ___|____
- | | | | | | | |
- | L | ___|__|____|__|___ | R |
- | spkr | | | | spkr |
- | | | active x-over | | |
- |________| |__________________| |________|
- | | low-out
- _____|__|_ __________
- | |----| sub- |
- | sub amp |----| woofer |
- |__________| |__________|
-
-
- Your receiver has at least half of the active system. It is supplying
- the low-out signal to be fed to a sub amp. But, how does one limit the
- main speaker outputs to just the high frequencies? I don't know -- does
- the manual say anything about it? Is a high-pass section invoked when-
- ever you plug something into the sub-out jack(s)? Is there a switch?
-
- If there's no provision for limiting the main speakers, then you're
- going to get a big, ugly hump in the total response as the main speakers
- overlap with the sub's range (and, if this is the case, I don't think
- much of Yamaha's design engineering).
-
- > How much is a good crossover? Where does one get one?
-
- Well, you don't need the low-pass sections; your receiver supplies that.
- If you need the high-pass sections (to limit the main speakers), the
- easiest thing to do would be to put some passive filters in the main
- speaker wire connections -- some big non-polar capacitors (with,
- optionally, some wire coils, depending on the crossover slope you need).
- There are formulae to calculate the values needed to get you into the
- ballpark. A more expensive option would be to get an active crossover
- and not use the sub-out connection of your receiver. Marchand
- Electronics has some good x-overs available for about a hundred bucks.
- (You have to supply an enclosure.) You'll need two XM1 modules and a
- PS10 power supply. If you're handy with a soldering iron, they offer
- kits that will save a few bucks (quite a few if you can design and build
- your own power supply).
-
- Marchand Electronics, Inc.
- 1334 Robin Hood Lane
- Webster, NY 14580
- (716) 872-5578
-
- > If there is a choice of roll over frequencies, where is a good cut
- > off ? My main speakers are Klipsh Forte I .
-
- See above. Klipsch claims the Forte II -3dB point is 32 Hz. If the
- Forte I is similar, 80 Hz should work fine. If you use the receiver's
- sub-out jack, you're stuck with whatever they chose, unless it's
- variable.
-
- -- Keith
-
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