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- Subject: Re: CD Sound Quality
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.050530.19826@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>
- From: MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham)
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 05:05:30 GMT
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- In-Reply-To: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com's message of Sat, 26 Dec 1992 07:22:21 GMT
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- In <1992Dec26.072221.1912@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com writes:
-
- > myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
- > : > Say you sample at 44 KHz. The maximum theoretical limit of frequency
- > : > you can capture is half of this, 22 KHz. However, at this rate there
- > : > are only two samples per cycle. With two samples per cycle, a sine
- > : > wave will sound the same as a square wave. Surely this is not hi-fi?
- > : > Suppose you say that you cannot hear this high a frequency.
- > : > Well, at 11 KHz, there will be 4 samples per waveform. How close
- > : > to a pure sine wave can you get with 4 samples? By looking at it,
- > : > not very. I'm not sure how noticable the difference in the sound is.
- > : > I guess it wouldn't be difficult for someone with a computer with
- > : > reasonable sound capabilities to try this out.
- > :
- > : God, not this again. Here, let me introduce you to my good friend,
- > : Mr. Fourier, and his friends, Mr. Shannon and Mr. Nyquist.....
- >
- > He probably believes that the lathe cutter cuts a square wave into
- > the vinyl on the analog disc.
- >
- > Bill
- From my experience (not pleasant) of trying to teach integral transform
- methods, I'd say there are a lot of people who simply have no understanding
- of how the whole sampling/filtering/reconstruction thing works. Then, quite
- reasonably given the behaviour of politicians and others in positions of trust,
- they say: How do I know you're not bull shitting me in a huge conspiracy
- with Sony and the CIA?
-
- So I offer the following balm to your faith: buy or borrow an audio signal
- generator (battery powered hand-helds can be had for <$100, and are quite
- useful for checking room resonances, speaker probs etc etc). Connect it to
- your stereo, set 3kHz and turn it up fairly loud. Now move the frequency
- up to 22kHz. Hear anything? If not, we have covered the difference between
- sine and square waves at 22kHz: they both sound like silence.
-
- If you CAN hear something, try throwing the little switch that gives
- square waves instead of sines. Any difference? (it might be louder, since
- the square waves are generated differently and often don't match in level).
- Now turn the frequency down, until you find the highest frequency where you
- can here a definite difference between square and sine.... Let me know if
- you are confident about the difference above 7kHz.
-
- Actually, I should advise caution with the square waves... if you have
- weak knee-d tweaters, high level square waves could fry 'em... so use low
- levels for that part ok?
- Have fun,
- Graham B
-