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- From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
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- Subject: Re: Carver and the FAQ
- Message-ID: <1992Dec25.015004.1013@cmkrnl.com>
- Date: 25 Dec 92 09:50:04 GMT
- References: <92357.203715U37426@uicvm.uic.edu> <11900011@hpmwnpd2.sr.hp.com>
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- In article <11900011@hpmwnpd2.sr.hp.com>,
- allana@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Allan Armstrong) writes:
- > [...]
- > And then there's "Sonic Holography." In college this was considered the
- > ultimate piece of gear to have if you were going to take acid and play
- > Dark Side of the Moon past the clipping threshold of your amplifier. I
- > actually never heard sonic holography. Can anyone report on what it
- > really is? How does it actually work?
- > [...]
-
- Carver's "Sonic Holography" is an imaging-enhancement mechanism.
-
- Suppose your system reproduces a sound that is supposed to be heard as coming
- from only the left speaker. Your left ear hears it first, and then (because
- your right ear is a bit farther from the speaker) your right ear hears it also.
- So far this is all demonstrable fact.
-
- The theory behind "Sonic Holography" says that hearing the sound in both ears
- muddles the soundstage.
-
- What the Sonic Holography circuit does is to take the left channel signal,
- delay it by about the inter-ear time as described above, invert it, and add it
- to the right channel. (And, obviously, vice versa.) This inverted, delayed
- signal reaches your right ear at the same time as the original signal from the
- left speaker, and so as far as the right ear is concerned, the sound is
- cancelled. So only the left ear hears the sound, so the imaging is better.
- Carver's user manual (at least the one I had, for the C-1 preamp) claims that
- imaging will be better localized and that the soundstage will extend beyond the
- speakers on either side and will also have obvious depth.
-
- You may also recognize this as the theory behind Polk's "Stereo Dimensional
- Array" speakers of a few years ago. Polk did it more directly, with an extra
- midrange driver per side (and in the highest-priced models, an extra tweeter
- as well), connected to the "other side" and out of phase. I'm not sure how (or
- if) Polk introduced any delay.
-
- There are several theoretical problems with this approach.
-
- - Cancelling of sounds with alike-but-inverse-polarity sounds doesn't work all
- that well if the sound sources (the speakers) are separated from each other,
- and/or from the listener, by more than a small fraction of the wavelength of
- the sound. (Try it. Leave your speakers in their usual positions, reverse
- the connections to one of them, and then set your FM tuner for mono. You will
- hear markedly less bass than before but the levels of the mids and highs won't
- be much affected. The closer the speakers are to each other, the higher the
- frequencies that will be effectively cancelled.)
-
- - in the example above, note that the left ear will hear not only the original
- signal but also (one head-width later) the cancelling signal from the right
- speaker. If hearing the delayed, normal-polarity signal in the "opposite ear"
- messes up your localization of the sound, then hearing a delayed, reverse-
- polarity signal in the "same ear" should mess it up also, probably more so.
-
- - When we hear sounds in nature, obviously both ears hear each sound, and
- there is no "cancelling" signal to help us out.
-
- The standard rebuttal from the Sonic Hologram defenders is that stereo
- reproduction is not even close to how we hear sounds in real life anyway. And
- this point is absolutely correct. It seems to me that the absolute best that a
- stereo system can do is to reproduce the sound you would hear in a room
- adjacent to the one where live music is being played, with two speaker-sized
- cutouts in the common wall. Would you expect to hear a realistic sound stage
- (similar to the one you would hear without the wall) from this arrangement? Of
- course not! It's a lot better than you'd get from just one hole, of course, but
- it doesn't come close to the real thing. So, since stereo is already playing
- tricks (like exaggerating the level differences between the channels) to fool
- us into thinking there's a soundstage, it should be okay to play a few more
- tricks so that we can be "fooled better".
-
- However, my ears and brain must like to be fooled in this way. I found the
- Sonic Hologram circuit to be very effective at doing "something" to the
- perceived soundstage. The effect varied widely with different recordings
- (which is only to be expected). But at no time did it produce what I would
- consider a realistic soundstage.
-
- For example, in a simple imaging test where a sound is panned from one speaker
- to the other, the Sonic Hologram made the "image" better defined, but it
- wandered all over the place when it was supposed to simply move from left to
- right and back again. It's a widely accepted tenet that if a system can't
- pass this simple test it isn't going to image worth a damn on real program
- material.
-
- But, one might well say, that simple test is nothing like real music; the
- instruments and vocalists tend to stay put; we don't need to be able to track a
- "panned" source. True enough.
-
- However, in my experience, the Sonic Hologram circuit had problems with real
- music. What I heard (mostly from recordings of reasonably complex orchestral
- pieces, some miked with "minimalist" techniques, others with lots of mikes)
- was, in general, an improved soundstage, but very often a particular instrument
- would jump out and grab me by the throat: "Hey, listen to ME! I'm over HERE!
- Isn't that AMAZING!!!"
-
- Well, yes, it's amazing, but it's nothing like real life. And ultimately it
- became prety tiresome, like a once-funny story that you've heard too many
- times. There's no question that it will amaze your friends, though, so if
- that's what you buy stereo gear for, go for it.
-
- (I had the same reaction to Hughes's Sound Retrieval System.)
-
- One other point: The Carver units with Sonic Hologram that I've seen all had a
- two-position switch to control the level of image enhancement, something like
- "normal" and "wide". As you might expect, the "enhanced" setting made the
- "listen to ME!" effect more pronounced. I've often wondered what this circuit
- would sound like if I could set it for somewhat less enhancement than Carver's
- "normal" setting. It might be much better. Might not: The Hughes SRS unit I
- tried has a continuously-variable control for the degree of image enhancement,
- and I couldn't find a setting that wasn't fatiguing to listen to, but this is
- of course dependent on my speakers, room, ear lobes, etc., etc., etc.
-
- My conclusion is that these units, and all other units that are attempting to
- improve imaging, are very much subject to personal preferences, the other
- equipment with which they're used, the room, etc. -- maybe more so than even
- speakers. If you're interested in one of these, the obvious thing to do is to
- get one on a money-back-if-not-satisfied-in-30-days arrangement, and then
- really test the thing in your own system on music you listen to a lot.
-
- --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
- Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
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