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- From: vanz@tragula.equinox.gen.nz (Martin Nieuwelaar)
- Newsgroups: rec.audio
- Subject: Re: CD Sound Quality
- Message-ID: <vanz.02bd@tragula.equinox.gen.nz>
- References: <1992Dec22.090725.11365@leland.Stanford.EDU> <7490273@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>
- Date: 25 Dec 92 13:54:16 +1200
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- In article <7490273@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
- >> Say you sample at 44 KHz. The maximum theoretical limit of frequency
- >> you can capture is half of this, 22 KHz. However, at this rate there
- >> are only two samples per cycle. With two samples per cycle, a sine
- [Stuff deleted]
- >God, not this again. Here, let me introduce you to my good friend,
- >Mr. Fourier, and his friends, Mr. Shannon and Mr. Nyquist.....
- >
- >Once more, with feeling: THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 22 kHz SINE WAVE
- >AND A 22 kHz SQUARE WAVE UNTIL YOU CONSIDER COMPONENTS AT 66 kHz AND ABOVE.
- >If you think you can hear that high, fine. 44.1 kHz sampling can reproduce
- >ALL components up to 22 kHz EXACTLY.
-
- Ok, I see where I went wrong. I knew a square wave was the sum of
- the odd harmonics. I also knew that low pass filters were
- used in CD players. For some reason I hadn't made the connection.
- It's now rather obvious to me that a 22 KHz square wave put
- through a suitable low pass filter, will be the same as a 22 KHz
- sine wave. Thanks to jj@alice, and Robert Silvers for pointing
- me in the right direction.
-
- Thanks also to Adre Yew for the text on the sampling theorem.
- Everything seems straight-forward up to the part at the end
- to do with the inverse transforms. If I have this right, what
- you do is point sample the signal, do a Fourier transform,
- remove all components above half your sampling rate, and do
- an inverse Fourier transform.
- This is then convolved with the inverse transform of the box filter. ???
- Anyway, I've got a book on fast Fourier transforms, which includes
- a program for doing FFTs and IFFTs. A look at this might help
- make things clearer.
-
- In the message David Chase wrote regarding oversampling, in which
- he explains a rather simpler form of interpolation, his idea
- about the brick wall filter seems obvious to me too. Simply
- FT, apply the box filter, and IFT. Providing you have the
- equipment, this seems to me a better way than using (say) an
- analog filter that will not have as much slope, and may introduce
- all sorts of phase distortions. (Please tell me if I'm wrong).
-
- From what I've read here, my misunderstanding is common, and
- I think adding an explanation to the FAQ list would be a great idea.
-
- >There. I feel much better now. I know it won't really do much good, but
- >I feel better anyway.
-
- But it did. Thanks.
-
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