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- From: jj@alice.att.com (alice!jj)
- Newsgroups: rec.audio
- Subject: ??JJ be nice?? I've not seen the original of that thread.
- Message-ID: <24480@alice.att.com>
- Date: 24 Dec 92 16:39:08 GMT
- Article-I.D.: alice.24480
- Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals
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- >From: tonyb@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Tony Berke )
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- >JJ -- you're pretty hard on recording engineers that turn out CDs with
- >clipping and/or underutilization of all 16 bits!!
- Depends. When talking about a piano recording done in a studio,
- I'd think one could avoid 4 bits of unused overhead. One could
- also dither so as to not have spurious partials come and go with
- the breeze. Ecch.
-
- >from live sessions, I have to emphathise with the engineer. 16 bits
- >stinks, and not just for "poor engineers".
- 16 bits is not enough for live recordings, note that I've said that
- some dude at the AES espoused 24 bits for live recordings, with
- the recording chain calibrated to 0dB SPL = +1 1 lsb. I happen
- to have a lot of sympathy with this particular dude, too.
-
- >If, by "poor engineer", you mean, "that poor engineer, he's got to
- ...
- >18 bits would be nice, and your use of the term "poor engineer" is
- >appropriate.
- I mean it in lots of ways, that's one of them. I've dealt with
- choruses and performers who wandered over about 15 dB depending
- on the phase of the moon (and I don't mean deliberate dynamics, either).
- I know, believe me.
-
- >the 14-15 bit recordings that I often make. I know for sure that a 16
- >bit recording made with the aid of a limiter can't possibly sound
- >worse than the occasional 17 bit recording that I try to turn out!
- Chuckle. Yeah, oh yeah, I know what you mean. I don't particularly mind
- a 15 bit or even 14 bit recording, but 12 bits is a wee bit far off.
- Now, like I said, sometimes for live stuff it's hard, but for
- studio stuff...
-
- >On the other hand, if you're talking about a studio session, or a
- >session in which the engineer has had the chance to attend numerous
- >rehearsals or performances in the same hall by the same artists with
- >the same orchestration, or if you're talking about a transfer from an
- >analog recording, yeah, anything less than normalization to 16 bits is
- >the sign of a poor engineer (or a poor customer, that won't pay a good
- >engineer to be patient!)
- I've met both. My impresssion given a lot of CD's is that the engineer
- was not only beleagured, but also not paying attention.
-
- What's the "jj-be nice" thread, anyhow? I've not seen the original.
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