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- From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and really disguted scientist)
- Newsgroups: rec.audio
- Subject: Re: CD SOund QUality
- Message-ID: <24474@alice.att.com>
- Date: 23 Dec 92 03:34:13 GMT
- Article-I.D.: alice.24474
- References: <1h17e4INNrkv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <24459@alice.att.com> <1992Dec21.213820.2737@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> <vanz.029i@tragula.equinox.gen.nz>
- Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and really disguted scientist)
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- In article <vanz.029i@tragula.equinox.gen.nz> vanz@tragula.equinox.gen.nz (Martin Nieuwelaar) writes:
- >Say you sample at 44 KHz. The maximum theoretical limit of frequency
- >you can capture is half of this, 22 KHz. However, at this rate there
- >are only two samples per cycle. With two samples per cycle, a sine
- >wave will sound the same as a square wave. Surely this is not hi-fi?
- Oh, geeze, this again. Go look at a basic signal processing text
- for the bit about an "antialaising filter". It's as hi fi
- as your filter.
-
- I must say (I'm sorry to use YOU as an example for this, but
- it's your turn, you said it) that this particular misunderstanding
- must rank as the #1 utterly falicious argument as to why Digital
- Doesn't Work.
-
- The Nyquist and Shannon theorems still hold, folks, despite
- your misunderstandings.
-
- >Well, at 11 KHz, there will be 4 samples per waveform. How close
- >to a pure sine wave can you get with 4 samples? By looking at it,
- >not very.
- To the quantization limit of the ADC/DAC, you can get it exactly.
- Yeah, exactly. Perfectly. Limited only by the quantization
- noise, which isn't a function of frequency if you really
- have 16 bit PCM signals. Your four unfortunate samples get
- nicely rounded off by that thar antialiasing filter,
- and your sine wave is nice and happy.
-
- Oh, geeeze, not THIS again. Sigh.
-
- >I guess it wouldn't be difficult for someone with a computer with
- >reasonable sound capabilities to try this out.
- I do it for a living. It works. I'd suggest that you
- go get Taub and Schilling's basic communications text or
- something of that sort, and learn how the process works.
- Learn something about fourier mathmatics while you're at it
- too, ok?
-
- >As I can only do this with
- >certain CDs, it leads me to believe that the companies that put
- >the music on the disks have some work to do!
- Here you're on VERY firm ground. "some work" is perhaps a
- monumental understatement of what I measure on my
- computer every day is any indication.
-
- Mumble frotz. I give up. It's not your fault, whoever I'm replying
- to, it's just the years of the SOS.
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