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- From: kong@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kong Kritayakirana)
- Subject: CD Sound Quality
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.090725.11365@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
- Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:07:25 GMT
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- co940@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Nicholas E. Damato) writes:
-
- > >people can't hear the difference between 15 and 16 bit.
- >
- > But they CAN hear the difference between 14 and 16 bits...
- > and I'll bet they can hear the difference between 16 and 18 or 20
- > bits.
-
- Maybe they CAN hear the difference between 14 and 16 bit which
- correspond to 86.1 and 98.1dB of dynamic range respectively (using
- Dynamic Range (dB) = 6.02 x #bits + 1.78) But 18-bit and 20-bit?
- That corresponds to 110.1 and 122.2dB dynamic range. If you see my
- earlier posting, the lowest background noise achievable in anechoic
- chamber (a pretty darned good one) is about 30dB above our threshold of
- hearing. So dynamic range above 90dB (which is 120-30dB) should be
- enough. This, of course, assumes highest level on CD is recorded at 0dB
- and proper dithering is done.
-
- > I simply cannotat the ear, the most dynamic and
- > sensitive mike created, especially the discrimiating ear,
- > can be satisfied by 16 bits.
- >
- > I don't think 16 bits can truly represent what our ears were
- > ment to hear. people aren't supposed to be able to hear
- > the difference between cd and md, but I CAN on a good system
- > with simultaneous a/b comparison.
-
- Well, as I said earlier, I did not go into discussion about data
- compression used by DCC and MD. I believe you that you CAN pick out CD
- and MD in a blind test, but see above about going beyond 16bit in linear
- PCM encoding.
-
- > I say lets leave it at ONE disc format for simplicity,
- > and work on a 32 bit 96KHz sampling system.
-
- 32bit = 194.4dB dynamic range! Wow, you should lend your ears to those
- psychoacoustic folks. They can rewrite a book on human hearing which is
- known to have "maximum" SPL tolerance of 1W/squaremeter=120dB and the
- minimum threshold is 1picoWatt/SquareMeter which corresponds to 0dB.
-
- 9 6 k H z s a m p l i n g r a t e ? :) Again, you should lend your
- ears to those psychoacoustic folks about highest audible freq. :D
- During medium transfer, 44kHz should prove adequate. Of course, a LOT of
- oversampling has to be done during ADC and DAC in order to keep Nyquist
- happy. :) Mail me for details about why oversampling is needed during
- ADC and DAC.
-
- > Of course i may be wrong but i'm willing to take the bet.
- > any combacks?
-
- Well, Can't say ANYONE is RIGHT about ANYTHING.
-
- Kong Kritayakirana (kong@leland.stanford.edu)
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