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- From: zdenek@ksr.com (Zdenek Radouch)
- Newsgroups: misc.invest
- Subject: Re: street name vs delivery
- Message-ID: <20431@ksr.com>
- Date: 26 Dec 92 20:58:15 EST
- References: <20366@ksr.com> <rlcarr.09ab@animato.network23.com> <20427@ksr.com> <1992Dec26.225559.21164@cbnews.cb.att.com>
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- Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp.
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- >>I wrote:
- >>OK guys, then explain to me what's wrong with the following scenario:
-
- >Arthur S. Kamlet writes:
- >I assume this is a joke, right?
-
- No joke, dead serious.
-
- >Just in case someone might take you seriously:
-
- >>I want to take over the XYZ Corp. XYZ is public and is controlled by
- >>an entity holding 55% of all shares. I go and buy the remaining 45%
- >>of all shares. I hold it in a street name so that it can be shorted.
- >>I subsequently short one third of my shares against the box and have
- >>my partner buy it. Now I own 45% of XYZ, and my partner owns 15% of XYZ.
-
- >Your partner (assuming this was legal -- it isn't) owns 15% of XYZ
- >short.
-
- No, reread what I said. I SHORTED the stock (In my example I shorted
- the stock myself against the box, but I could have as well said that
- the stock was shorted by someone else). My partner (or if you don't like
- that, then substitute "a random investor") has BOUGHT it long.
-
- >You own 45% of XYZ long.
-
- Correct.
-
- >That's a total of 45% of XYZ you both get to vote.
-
- No, I own 45% and whoever bought the shorted shares owns 15%.
- That's 60% total.
-
- >>Together we own 60% of XYZ, the controlling entity holds only 55%
- >>so we can take over XYZ any time we want!
-
- >When you own stock short you really don't own it at all. You don't
- >get the dividends (in fact you get to pay the dividends to the real
- >owner) and you don't get to vote the stock.
- >Look, there's a huge difference between holding stock in street name
- >or holding stock in safekeeping or your own vault; and shorting
- >stock.
-
- Look, you just didn't get it! For a share to be shorted there must be
- a buyer and he holds it long now. So for every shorted share you have
- two owners, the one that the share was borrowed from, and the one that
- actually bought the share. Since there's only ONE real share to be voted,
- you have to strip one of the two owners of his voting rights. And
- it logically has to be the one that held the stock in street name.
-
- >If you shorted stock, the person you borrowed it from gets to
- >vote it.
-
- That was myself in the example. So you claim I can vote my 45%.
- Well, the guy that bought the [shorted] stock actually gets the
- certificate; he can surely vote his 15%!
- So that is 45+15+55=115%!
-
- >In fact the person you borrowed it from doesn't even
- >know you borrowed it! This borrowing thing, it's all done with
- >mirrors.
- >Art Kamlet a_s_kamlet@att.com AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
-
- If you hold a $100 bill in front of a mirror, you see two $100 bills
- but remember, you can spend only one.
-
- -Z
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