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- From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
- Subject: Re: street name vs delivery
- Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:55:59 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec26.225559.21164@cbnews.cb.att.com>
- References: <20366@ksr.com> <rlcarr.09ab@animato.network23.com> <20427@ksr.com>
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- In article <20427@ksr.com> zdenek@ksr.com (Zdenek Radouch) writes:
- >I wrote:
- >>>
- >>> I assume you lose your shareholder voting rights if you don't take the
- >>> delivery, since your shares can be sold short.
- >
- >Rich Carreiro writes:
- >>That can't be right. I hold my stocks in street name with Waterhouse,
- >>and I've gotten to vote on all proxy issues on all my stocks (or rather,
- >>I get a form from Waterhouse which I use to tell Waterhouse how to vote
- >>on my stocks, since the stocks are, of course, in Waterhouse's name).
- >>I also still retain the option of actually going to the annual meeting
- >>as well.
- >
- >Ed Krol writes:
- >>Actually you don't lose your voting rights,
-
-
-
- while you hold stock long
-
- and
-
- you have no voting rights in stock held short
-
- >>but it is a bit more
- >>inconvienent to vote your shares in person. If you want to attent
- >>a shareholders meeting and vote your shares you have to make arrangements
- >>through your broker I think.
- >
- >OK guys, then explain to me what's wrong with the following scenario:
-
- I assume this is a joke, right?
-
- Just in case someone might take you seriously:
-
- >I want to take over the XYZ Corp. XYZ is public and is controlled by
- >an entity holding 55% of all shares. I go and buy the remaining 45%
- >of all shares. I hold it in a street name so that it can be shorted.
- >I subsequently short one third of my shares against the box and have
- >my partner buy it. Now I own 45% of XYZ, and my partner owns 15% of XYZ.
-
- Your partner (assuming this was legal -- it isn't) owns 15% of XYZ
- short.
-
- You own 45% of XYZ long.
-
- That's a total of 45% of XYZ you both get to vote.
-
- >Together we own 60% of XYZ, the controlling entity holds only 55%
- >so we can take over XYZ any time we want!
-
- When you own stock short you really don't own it at all. You don't
- get the dividends (in fact you get to pay the dividends to the real
- owner) and you don't get to vote the stock.
-
- ---
-
- Look, there's a huge difference between holding stock in street name
- or holding stock in safekeeping or your own vault; and shorting
- stock. In terms of voting rights, your broker will forward to you
- (or the company itself will forward to you) a proxy for stock held
- long. If you shorted stock, the person you borrowed it from gets to
- vote it. In fact the person you borrowed it from doesn't even
- know you borrowed it! This borrowing thing, it's all done with
- mirrors.
- --
- Art Kamlet a_s_kamlet@att.com AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
-