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- From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
- Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc,alt.usage.english,alt.society.anarchy
- Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.170815.18962@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: 3 Jan 93 22:08:14 GMT
- References: <C08sBA.Gp8@world.std.com> <1993Jan2.221526.18943@husc3.harvard.edu> <C0Ap5A.A4v@news.udel.edu>
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- In article <C0Ap5A.A4v@news.udel.edu>
- johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan2.221526.18943@husc3.harvard.edu>
- >zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
-
- MZ:
- >>The way I see it, the use of GNU places me under a legal obligation to
- >>the FSF; on the other hand, as a certified misanthrope with no ready
- >>ftp access, I have no way to obtain a copy for nothing.
-
- BJ:
- >Two unsupported, unsupportable assertions.
-
- Given that the support has been given in the parts you so craftily
- elided, the unsupportability exists solely in your mind.
-
- BJ:
- >What legal obligation is placed upon the USER of GNU software?
- >Be specific; I use GNU software every day. I have yet to pay
- >any money for it; it works better than the commercial software
- >it replaced, but I don't want to expose myself to unnecessary
- >legal hassles. What am I missing? Am I a victim of brain-washing?
-
- You are a victim of something, but I shan't speculate on its causes.
- The obligation is not to use any part of GNU in a proprietary manner.
- Chew on that; it might allow you to shut up for a while.
-
- BJ:
- >As for "no way to obtain a copy for nothing": this assertion
- >only demonstrates ignorance and that you haven't been reading.
-
- On the contrary, I had read the thing long before it was made public.
- Again, your accusations of ignorance can cut both ways, and in this
- instance, will injure only yourself.
-
- BJ:
- >It has been repeatedly pointed out that GNU software is available free
- >of charge to anyone with enough ability and time to learn how to use
- >the various ftp-by-email services. This surely includes Mikhail Zeleny.
-
- Can you imagine a student account without ready access to a non-glass
- output device, and a one meg disk quota? Good boy!
-
- BJ:
- >Do you require that FSF itself set up a free BBS or provide a
- >self-service disk duplicator in their office? Do you require
- >that GNU software by delivered free of charge by an FSF
- >representative to your home? Do you require a free personal
- >tutorial, and perhaps the right to bore and/or insult the tutor
- >during the lesson?
-
- I don't require jack shit, my excitable boy, with the sole exception
- that men live up to their billing.
-
- BJ:
- >Is the software not free enough because you personally have not
- >taken the time to find out how to get it for free, or because
- >FSF does not include a list of all possible "free" ways to get
- >the software at the beginning of each price of its price lists?
- >
- >Or is ftp-by-email not free enough because you have to pay a
- >phone bill or own a not-free computer and modem to use it?
- >
- >Is it not "free" because my grandmother has never heard of it?
-
- This is getting tedious. I shall proceed to ignore you fothwith,
- until and unless your grandmother teaches you some manners and
- intelligence.
-
- BJ:
- >As for Mr. Zeleny being a "certified misanthope", I imagine
- >that the feeling is mutual.
-
- You are breaking my heart.
-
- >--
- >-- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu)
- >-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949
-
- cordially,
- mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
- "Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
-