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- Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
- Path: sparky!uunet!nwnexus!seanews!eskimo!nanook
- From: nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse)
- Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.031931.10598@eskimo.com>
- Summary: System-V
- Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
- References: <BzI0Ls.GGo@shakti.ncst.ernet.in> <1992Dec22.080719.16062@eskimo.com>
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:19:31 GMT
- Lines: 51
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- In article <1992Dec22.080719.16062@eskimo.com>, johnn@eskimo.com (John Navitsky) writes:
- > In article <BzI0Ls.GGo@shakti.ncst.ernet.in> riyer@shakti.ncst.ernet.in (Rajappa Iyer) writes:
- > >I am a fairly recent reader of this group -- but even in the short time
- > >that I have been reading it, I find it increasingly hard to ignore the
- > >fact that Sun seems to be fucking its customers over. The new LX series
- > >are a case in point. Sun users cannot plonk for the new machines no
- > >matter *how* attractive the pricing for the simple reason that they
- > >have already invested in apps for SunOS 4.1.x. My organization is also
- > >one of the few "victims." It's all very well for Sun/Solaris proponents
- > >to say "Oh but you can *still* buy old machines and run SunOS 4.1.x on
- > >it." That's precisely the kind of trap I wished to avoid when I switched
- > >to Sun. I want to be able to run the same apps on newer and faster machines.
- > >
- > >Isn't anybody at Sun doing their homework right?
- >
- > I really suspect that Sun is trying to set themselves (and us) for the
- > long haul. Unfortunatly this means (among other things) some pain, as
- > in the move to SV4 derived Solaris. It would seem to me that they want
- > to get it over with.
-
- Nah, don't see any big advantages to System-V4r for the customer for
- either the short or long haul. I do see some big advantages to AT&T.
-
- I suspect it went something like this... Sun is becoming a major vendor
- but they're a little short on cash.. The BSD4.4 project is nearing
- completion and almost all Sys-5 source has been removed. Sun's kernal is
- based on BSD.. If the Sun were to move to a BSD 4.4 based kernal, all of
- AT&T's royalties would be out the window..
-
- So they get together, they say to Sun, (mind you this IS speculation
- and nothing more), they say, "Gosh, we can help you with your short-term
- cash difficulties, if you'll just agree to make the next major release of
- Sun/OS system-V4r based so that we can continue collecting outrageous
- royalties from your customer base.
-
- And so Sun, with their cash difficulties at the time, agreed, and
- Sun, AT&T, both benefited, Sun had it's cash problem fixed, AT&T was
- assured of continued royalties from Sun's customer base, and only Sun's
- customers got the shaft.. Such a deal!
-
- The only question that remains, will the customers tolerate it?
-
- The position I've taken, is to condition any purchases of Sun
- equipment upon it being able to run 4.1.x. I write this right into the
- purchase order. So far, 4.1.x has worked on all of the boxes we've
- purchased (mostly 4.1.3), though I'm told it won't run on mutli-processor
- SS10's.
-
- I would encourage everyone who has a problem with being forced into a
- new, incompatible operating system, do the same.
-
-