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- From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
- Newsgroups: comp.std.internat
- Subject: Re: Dumb Americans (was INTERNATIONALIZATION: JAPAN, FAR EAST)
- Keywords: Han Kanji Katakana Hirugana ISO10646 Unicode Codepages
- Message-ID: <8496@charon.cwi.nl>
- Date: 1 Jan 93 22:27:01 GMT
- References: <1i0vnmINN352@rodan.UU.NET> <8494@charon.cwi.nl> <1i2durINN2pj@rodan.UU.NET>
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- In article <1i2durINN2pj@rodan.UU.NET> avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
- > >If so, what are the consequences,
- >
- > The good spell-checker will suggest to replace the letter with the
- > correct one.
-
- I can imagine the confusion:
- spelling error, suggested replacement "a for "a.
- >
- > >Moreover, one question: how would you encode the German A-umlaut such that
- > >it sorts properly (i.e. as if it is the letter combination AE)?
- >
- > The sorting order should be strict -- if you have two identical words
- > with a-umlaut and ae in the middle is it the same word? If it is then
- > ae IS a variation of a-umlaut and should always be treated as a signle
- > letter.
- >
- I do not think you understand. From the AVON (Amtliches Verzeichnis der
- Ortnetzkennzahlen) edition 1985, which gives area codes for the places in
- Germany. The next is a selection of places mentioned ("o is o-umlaut):
- Modautal
- M"ockm"uhl
- ...
- M"ornsheim
- Moers
- M"ossingen
- ...
- M"otzingen
- Mogendorf
- now come up with a coding that allows this (standard German) sorting.
- Note that it is not allowed to spell Moers as M"ors, that is a severe
- spelling error! On the other hand in the absense of umlauts it is
- allowable to spell "o as oe (because it is in fact a shorthand for it),
- but to do so when there are umlauts available does not look very good.
- >
- > >Even in
- > >a single language (German) you can not come up with a coding that gives
- > >proper sorting.
- >
- > You can come with a reasonable approximation anyway.
-
- If so, what do you deem reasonable in this case?
- ...
- > Forget about "traditions" -- users do not care which code is inside if
- > it looks like their usual stuff.
-
- So users are completely uninterested in the coding and the sorting algorithm
- used!
- --
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