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- From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
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- Subject: Re: Stupid Licenses (YUCK!)
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- Date: 21 Dec 92 14:29:06 GMT
- References: <bhayden.724690634@teal> <1992Dec19.023609.26000@news2.cis.umn.edu> <bhayden.724865911@teal> <1992Dec20.181839.10346@news2.cis.umn.edu>
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- charlie@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Charles Geyer) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Dec19.023609.26000@news2.cis.umn.edu> I wrote:
-
- > It is fair to say that no computer company puts quality first, ahead of
- > featurality. Until they do, quality will remain abysmal.
-
- >In article <bhayden.724865911@teal> bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) replies:
- >> Just take a software engineering course. We know how to test for bugs,
- >> how to do software QC. We just don't do it. Often the company that is
- >> shipping the premature software has a QC section. Almost as often
- >> that QC group is at some level preempted by marketing. But how does
- >> it look when I ask for that QC data when I sue you for defective
- >> software. This is what is called a "smoking gun" by attorneys.
-
- >Sounds to me like from a legal standpoint the best thing would be to replace
- >fire the QC people so they won't generate any "smoking guns".
-
- Well - you may be right. However, the lack of a QC group is in itself
- an indication of a lack of due care. Needless to say though, this latter
- is probably harder to prove in court.
-
- >Things won't change until someone markets quality computer software and
- >hardware and gives the customers a choice. You can buy a Japanese car
- >and tell Detroit to stuff it. Why can't you buy a computer like that?
-
- I would argue that it is the expectation level. I will admit that I will
- often buy (and use) the feature rich program over the stable competitor.
- However - I am running Windows, and not OS/2 precisely because I couldn't
- get OS/2 to keep from crashing. It wasn't worth the effort, given that
- Windows does everything that I want. Also note - I may not switch to
- OS/2 when a stability release finally does happen. So it may starting
- to happen.
-
- >BTW this isn't an anti-American comment. I just bought an American car
- >(I'm giving Detroit one last chance).
-
- Well, I have given up on Detroit. Especially when I had to drive them
- as rentals. I can remember the dash board coming off into my lap in
- an Escort with less than 5,000 miles on it. We tried the Chevy and the
- Ford when we last bought a vehicle (last year), but quickly narrowed
- it to either a Datsun (ok - Nissan) or a Toyota.
-
- Bruce E. Hayden
- (303) 758-8400
- bhayden@csn.org
-