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- From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
- Newsgroups: comp.mail.headers,comp.mail.misc
- Subject: Re: Return-Receipt-To & forwarding...
- Date: 1 Jan 93 03:19:37
- Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
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- Message-ID: <FRIEDMAN.93Jan1031937@nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
- References: <19921225.001@erik.naggum.no> <sdorner-271292095054@0.0.0.0>
- <davecb.725771350@yorku.ca> <1992Dec31.180958.22688@chance.gts.org>
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- In-reply-to: john@chance.gts.org's message of 31 Dec 92 18:09:58 GMT
-
- In article <1992Dec31.180958.22688@chance.gts.org> john@chance.gts.org (John R MacMillan) writes:
- >| Well, the historical reason this wasn't necessary/desirable/done is
- >|called finger.
- >
- >[...]
- >
- >| I regularly finger people, then look to see when my message was sent.
- >|Result? I know if it was read.
- >
- >Actually, finger has the same problem as many existing read receipts,
- >and return receipts: incorrect user expectation.
- >
- >Here Dave, a knowledgeable computer professional, arrives at a result
- >that is simply not true, because fingerd does not (and can not) know
- >if I have read my mail.
-
- And here's one possible reason why finger may not be reliable: depending on
- your backup method, the atime on spool files may be munged, and fingerd
- will think the file has been "read". True it has, but not by a user. :-)
-
- The latest version of GNU finger lets you customize what long output the
- fingerer sees on a per-user basis. So for me I've programmed it to look at
- the mtime on my personal inbox. As a matter of habit, when I incorporate
- new mail and save my inbox I usually read it right then and there.
-
- However, this still isn't a 100% reliable method. Really, the best way to
- find out if someone has read their mail is to ask in the mail message
- "please send me a reply when you've seen this" (and if they choose not to
- do this that's their business). All this nonsense about UA automated
- read-receipt replies is a waste of time. People seem to think computers
- are capable of solving all sorts of problems that they're not, particularly
- when human capriciousness comes into play.
-