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- From: Arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
- Sender: Fredgate@cswamp.apana.org.au
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn
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- Subject: ISDN international tariffs
- Message-ID: <725445970.AA00727@cswamp.apana.org.au>
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 09:46:26 +1000
- Lines: 91
-
- On Sat 19 Dec at 21:45 Al Varney wrote:
-
- AV> From: varney@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (Al Varney)
- AV> @Message-ID: <1992Dec19.214534.3982@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
- AV> @References: <724643806.AA00663@cswamp.apana.org.au>
-
- >With a good modem, one can get about 1500 cps on one of these
- 64
- >kbps PCM voice circuits.
-
- AV> 1500 cps in one direction...
-
- Well, V.32bis is supposed to be full duplex, but I haven't had
- too much luck with protocols that transfer files in both
- directions at the same time. Under good conditions with
- V.32bis/MNP 4 I've had 1700 cps one way on non-compressible data,
- but not on international calls.
-
- >With one 64 kbps ISDN B channel, presumably 7500 cps throughput
- is possible, a
- >five-fold increase at nearly 3 times the per-minute cost plus a
- big flagfall.
-
- AV> Where is 7500 cps from???
-
- a wild guess (-:, comparing traffic in a single direction for
- both systems.
-
- AV> Sounds like a good trade-off, if you have enough
- AV> data to off-set the "flagfall". If not, you're only
- AV> talking about A$1 or two per call....
-
- Australian dollars are called South Pacific Pesos after all (A$1
- roughly = US $0.69). There is also a certain irony in the fast
- call setup time of ISDN having such a high price. Non-local voice
- calls here now have a 12 cent flagfall.
-
- >Are there other costs to the telephone company involved that
- >already has ISDN capable equipment that can in any way justify
- >the extra cost of ISDN?
-
- AV> Switches have to recognize and route properly requests
- AV> for 64 kbps data service. In the USA, even 56 kbps
- AV> requires either dedicated MF trunks or SS7 signaling
- AV> between switches. Data users may also require better
- AV> performance (lower bit error rate) and more maintenance
- AV> attention on the facilities. The labor and switch
- AV> updates/replacements are not cheap. The ability to
- AV> switch echo suppressors in and out over shared
- AV> facilities could also be a cost, as could any
- AV> requirement to route 64 kbps data calls over land
- AV> facilities only (no satellite).
-
- Echo suppressors should be switched off by the initial 2100 Hz
- answer tone of fax machines and CCITT compliant voiceband modems.
- The other points raised were significant, but could easily lead
- to a "my country's telephone companies' equipment is more CCITT
- compliant and more modern/reliable/etc than yours" type argument
- that we'd all like to avoid.
-
- AV> And last, are you sure your modem call is allocated the
- AV> full PCM channel? Many overseas calls use forms of
- AV> multiplexing that share N channels with N+m calls.
- AV> Multiplexing/compressing raw data is not an option for
- AV> 64 kbps data calls (in my opinion).
-
- Usually (and for calls to New Zealand, always). I have received
- information from AOTC's Technical Directorate, after raising my
- problems with the chairman of Austel, Australia's
- telecommunications regulator.
-
- AV> Al Varney -- my employer owns a telecom service, but I
- don't work for
- AV> that part of AT&T, nor do I speak for ANY part of AT&T.
-
- Others joke about how many people AOTC can employ with the phone
- bills I pay.
-
- AOTC (Australian and Overseas Telecommunications Commission) =
- old Telecom Australia + old OTC (Overseas Telecommunications
- Commission).
-
- AOTC is also known as America's Other Telephone Company due to
- having a US citizen, Frank Blount, ex AT&T, as boss. OTC is also
- known as Optus Training College due to the numbers of former OTC
- employees who left to work for Optus, Australia's second
- telecommunications carrier.
-
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