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- From: goldstein@carafe.enet.dec.com (Fred R. Goldstein)
- Subject: Re: Asynchronous TAs
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.053712.22719@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
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- Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Littleton MA USA
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:30:15 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec23.192710.3006@xenitec.on.ca>, vances@xenitec.on.ca (Vance Shipley) writes...
- >Of all the ISDN terminal adaptors I have seen very few provide asynchronous
- >speeds above 19.2K. None of the TAs I have seen provide faster than 38.4K.
- >Of course they all provide 56 or 64K synchronous. I'm sure this makes
- >sense when viewed from the position of evolving the current telecommunications
- >solutions to ISDN. Currently modems provide asynchronous interfaces at
- >speeds up to 19.2K and sometimes 38.4K while DDS provides leased 56K
- >synchronous connections. The problem here is that by maintaining this
- >limited view the TA manufacturers have ensured that they will cater solely
- >to the high end users.
- >
- >For the billion PC users out there without synchronous cards and software
- >there is no benefit in getting ISDN. These people have, or could get, V.42bis
- >modems which they believe will get them 19.2K throughput. If they get an ISDN
- >terminal adaptor they could achieve a real 19.2K conection. There would be
- >a gain here if you could explain the issue of compression. If they were to
- >get a TA which gave them 38.4K they would have a better than two fold gain.
- >This is just enough to make it worth the trouble, maybe.
-
- Indeed, compression IS the trick, and what makes the comparison of
- oranges to juice a bit unfair. Most high-end modems nowadays perform
- compression, and claim 2:1 to 4:1, and use flow-controlled DTE
- interfaces at maybe 57.6 kbps or even higher. But the modem itself
- is usually 14.4 kbps or slower (V.fast going up to 24k and maybe
- 28k on a really, really swell analog line). A TA with a "raw"
- async speed of 38.4k is better. Sadly, there are many current
- TAs (like the Fujitsu for which a flyer just came in the mail)
- that only go to 19.2! What a waste.
-
- >I read an article recently about a group of astronomers who were working at
- >home with X terminals over ISDN. Because the X terminals only provided an
- >asynchronous serial interface (in addition to the ethernet) they were only
- >using 38.4K. The article was giving this as an example of how ISDN allowed
- >users to do things never before practical. While this was essentially true
- >to me it was a great example of what is wrong with the cuurent state of
- >affairs in the ISDN world.
-
- Yep. What's wrong is that customers don't always get the right
- equipment. I'm typing this over an ISDN circuit, momentarily at
- 64 kbps, though I sometimes use 56kbps "data over speech" just to
- exercise that option. (We don't have interexchange data ISDN yet
- here, and some of our ISDN users are interexchange.) My clone PC
- has a bog-standard DEC Ethernet card, tied via 10baseT to a
- Gandalf Premier 5510 bridge. It makes a nice X setup! I can also
- transfer files at 7000 Bytes/second, using DECnet NFT or FTP.
-
- ISDN PC cards that go 64 or 56 kbps sync do exist, but there are
- many issues of compatibility (protocol stacks). BTW (in response
- to KPH's comment), T-Link is a Northern Telecom rate adaptation
- protocol. Introduced with the SL-1 Add-on Data Module in 1979 or
- so, it was used on the DEC CPI-32 in 1982. It's smarter than
- V.110, though also bit-oriented (not HDLC like V.120). A notable
- feature: At 9600 and down, all info is sent with triple-mode
- redundancy, so a one-bit error can be outvoted by a smart receiver.
- ---
- Fred R. Goldstein goldstein@carafe.tay2.dec.com
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