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- From: ken@iat.holonet.net (Ken Easlon)
- Subject: Re: grounding and the entity/environment boundary
- Message-ID: <C00GMG.ML7@iat.holonet.net>
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- References: <1992Dec28.144030.23113@cs.wm.edu>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:54:15 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec28.144030.23113@cs.wm.edu> ,
- amdavi@cs.wm.edu (Alexander M. Davis) writes:
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- >It seems that the usage of phrases along the lines of "the soup becomes
- >part of me [at time x under certain circumstances]" would entail loss of
- >that identity under different circumstances. That is, would one be
- >willing to assert that "At time x, had the soup not been introduced in
- >such circumstance and therefore not become part of me, I would not be
- >'me' since in another circumstance I define 'me' as having some part
- >integral with this soup."? It all seems to depend on the conceptual basis
- >of identity: biological entity, behavioral response network, etc. For AI
- >purposes any one of these models could be posited. Which is/are being
- >asserted in this discussion?
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- I plead guilty to bringing soup into the discussion, with no clear purpose
- other than to explore the ramifications of Chris Malcolm's idea that
- entity/environment lines can be drawn around "ownership".
-
- My involvement in this thread started when I read Mark Rosenfelder's
- comments to the effect that the entity/environment boundary should be drawn
- along contours of minimum information exchange.
-
- It seems to me there can be many shells within a functional definition of
- entity across which information exchange might be minimized, so I
- challenged Mark's criteria by bringing up human entities and tools, and
- suggesting an extreme example of a functional definition of entity where
- the boundary might be drawn along contours of maximum information exchange.
-
- This was the point where Chris suggested the ownership criteria and I
- brought in the soup.
-
- My current view as (ramblingly) posited in <BzyK19.2B5@iat.holonet.net>
- is that the entity should be defined as a core of tool operating
- capability, and interchangeable tools should be thought of as sort of a
- physical interface between the entity and environment.
-
- When Mark returns from vacation, he'll probably have some counter-arguments
- that will take the thread back to the issue of "grounding".
-
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