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- From: matt_d@warp.mhd.montana.edu (Matt Donnelly)
- Subject: Re: Eating killed animals (was Re: Gun Control Petition)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan1.005926.294@coe.montana.edu>
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- References: <1992Dec23.150404.29387@cdf.toronto.edu> <schuck.725650169@sfu.ca> <1992Dec31.165905.10759@tse.uucp>
- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:59:26 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec31.165905.10759@tse.uucp> wayne@tse.uucp (Wayne Hines) writes:
- >In article <schuck.725650169@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
- >>g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
- >>
- >>>A while back I posted excerpts of an article from _Cattleman_ magazine,
- >>>a Canadian beef industry journal, in talk.politics.animals. The article
- >>>indicated that both the surgical and elastrator methods of castration caused
- >>>some pain.
- >> ^^^^^
- >>
- >>
- >>Are you *really* implying that any medical procedure that has an
- >>element of pain is *abusive*??????
- >>
- >>Does that mean dentists are *abusive* ?
- >>
- >>How about nurses when they poke your arm several times trying to find
- >>a vein when they need blood?
- >>
- >>How about any surgical or medical procedure on animals or humans that
- >>causes pain? I could list hundreds.
- >>
- >>According to you and your *book* -- *pain* of any kind is now
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >>considered abusive.
- >>
- >
- >Let's be reasonable. Comparing cattle castration to human medical treatment
- >is inaccurate and distorts Rosemary's argument. Cattle are castrated purely
- >for human gain - obviously they have no choice, and it is really not to their
- >benefit. People choose voluntarily to submit to medical procedures, and the
- >resulting pain is endured for longer-term benefits.
- >
- I have to disagree with Wayne's last statement. Cattle are castrated,
- pigs have their teeth clipped, pigs and sheep are castrated, dogs have
- their tails cropped, (etc.) to protect the domestic animals rather than
- "purely for human gain". Given the fact that we confine domestic
- animals, we have to do these things in order to keep them from killing
- themselves. For example, baby pigs will cut each other to bits with
- their sharp eye (?) teeth if they aren't clipped. The pig farmers I
- know do this early when the teeth are soft so as not to cause the pig
- too much pain.
-
- Cattle are castrated because if they grow up to become bulls, they will
- fight each other, run through fences, injure cows, and exhibit
- aggressive behavior that may cause them to hurt themselves. Given
- that calves are sold when they are yearlings and placed in even more
- confined feedlots only compounds the problem of _them injuring
- themselves_.
-
- It is true that farmers and ranchers receive some benefit from the
- practices. When the livestock are not injuring themselves, they
- bring a higher profit to the seller.
-
- Sorry, I won't argue the point of whether they should be confined
- in a utopian society.
-
- Matt Donnelly
- matt_d@warp.mhd.montana.edu
-
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