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- From: kberry@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kim A. Berry)
- Subject: Re: Save the Planet and the Economy at the Same time!
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.045549.22294@sactoh0.sac.ca.us>
- Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix, Sacramento, Ca.
- References: <01JAN93.01077145.0061@VM1.MCGILL.CA> <1993Jan2.194139.16483@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> <JMC.93Jan2145832@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 04:55:49 GMT
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- In article <JMC.93Jan2145832@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
- >Mr. Berry is mistaken in his belief that the whole world cannot sustain
- >itself at a U.S. living standard including personal transportation.
- >
- >He is also mistaken in his belief that the high U.S., European and
- >Japanese living standards depend on exploiting the resources of
- >the poor underdeveloped countries.
-
- The result would be a closed economic system in which all
- participants lived at a first world standard of living. Could the
- U.S. cut off all trade without significantly impacting its living
- standard? (Many economists claim we could not.) Would that roughly
- simulate a global economy composed entirely of first world nations?
-
- >As I have done in the past, I am willing to take any two resources
- >Mr. Berry can mention and show how they are available or substitutable
- >on a sufficient scale for the world to reach U.S. standards.
-
- I don't dispute we have the technology to generate (harness) more
- energy. But first world economic systems are "mining" the earth's
- resources beyond replacement level. Consider the 30' elevation drop
- in the California central valley due to excessive groundwater
- pumping, permanently damaging the aquifers. Consider the saline
- buildup due to irrigation; Consider the rate forests are
- disappearing both in the U.S. and world, both due to cutting and
- toxic poisoning; Consider the rate of species extinction ...
-
- Can these damages realistically be repaired by applying energy?
-
- My challenge to you is to outline how the U.S. can solve its own
- problems of world economic competition, unemployment, poverty, teen
- pregnancies, housing costs, unskilled workers... In many respects
- the U.S. no longer serves as an example of a first world nation.
-
- Unless we can solve these problems internally, I do not see how we
- can propose to be able to solve them for countries in Africa and
- South America.
-
- >The problem is that probably that Mr. Berry has been misinformed by
- >his teachers and other environmentalist, anti-civilization
- >propagandists.
-
- I always wondered what the problem was! :-)
-
- >--
- >John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
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- (Mr.) Kim Berry kberry@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US
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