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- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:55:57 -0800
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- From: Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
- Subject: Re: Electronic Literacy
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- > From: Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
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- > Have you read Sara Keisler and Lee Sproull? They've done much
-
- > Ellen Spertus has also done some interesting analysis of
-
- Thanks for the tips. Have you seen McLuhan's _Laws_of_the_Media,
- published a few years back by his son Eric?
-
- Nothing you've said suggests to me that WORDS-L is not an interesting
- example of instant response creating involvement in depth.
-
- > I don't think you understand the nuances of
- > electronic culture. You cannot make blanket statements about how the
- > quality of discourse is affected without taking into careful
- > consideration the subtle etiquette, personality, purpose, etc. of the
- > forum in question.
-
- Having been involved in this kind of analysis since c.1974, I've become
- convinced that nobody really understands electronic communications,
- except in bits and pieces. Having been involved in all kinds of forums
- and conferencing set-ups, I'm well aware of the varieties of local
- customs involved, which is partly why I was surprised to see the use
- of profanity on Words-L. Words-L is in fact the first I've run into
- (and I was on it about 3 or 4 years back), in which the laws of the
- Jungle are the only ones that apply.
-
- > This isn't Star Trek, Peter.
- Just a convenient example as a quick descriptor. All kinds of
- interesting technology hasn't taken off. Remember Videotex?? It was
- going to be the great wave of the future in North America. Interesting
- that a primitive version (Prestel) survived in Britain, with the
- database concepts being most successful in Minitel, but NAPLPS went
- nowhere -- least of all the Canadian forefather called Telidon.
-
- A current contender for a new revolution is pen-based computing.
- Right now NCR is marketing a nifty little 4lb. baby that reads handwriting,
- and has 20 meg. memory cards (bye-bye floppydisks/hard drives?).
-
- > with the handicapped so far, but haven't managed to infiltrate the
- > general marketplace. Why?
-
- Don't forget the deliberate sales lag in the market. There're all
- kinds of goodies that have to wait till the market is saturated with
- current technology. You are in general correct, though. Ma Bell
- developed a video phone back in the mid-60s, at enormous cost. Market
- research indicated that nobody would go for it, so bye bye.
-
- > We prefer text. Why?
- Literate people prefer text. I'm not so sure what will apply with
- the new generations coming along who haven't had the same exposure
- to literacy.
-
- Would you really call what happens on Minitel the USE of text?
- And even if you do, how is the use effecting the language?
- Keep in mind that France has a much greater tradition of 'protecting'
- its language, than do any of the English speaking countries.
-
- > like a city. It never went anywhere. Even English professors like
- > Natalie -- going against stereotype -- prefer the command line
- > interface.
-
- Our dept. has been using a networked command line facility for five
- years now as a teaching environemnt. We also prefer the command line
- 'interface'. The MAC lab I helped set up in Pennsylvania last year
- WAS a whole lot easier for the students to get along with. The teachers
- pretty much had a hard time, because they were all PC users.
-
- > Once you can explain why all this is, then maybe you can talk
- > about where we might go in the future.
-
- Rita, you didn't read what I said. I think its silly to try to explain what
- exists, because that doesn't help knowing where we might go.
- I don't want to know where we MIGHT go, I want to know where we WILL
- go. I think we need to know where we will go, so we can deal with
- the effects of electronic culture on literacy, in order to help
- people to be more literate.
-
- There is a fascinating experiment happening at Carnegie-Mellon U.
- right now. Researchers go out into neighborhoods to teach literacy
- in exchange for learning from the neighborhoods how the language is
- evolving.
-
- MAC lab teachers may be interested in a new process-oriented word
- processor that has been developed by the English dept. at CMU. It's
- called Prep.
-
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