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- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:10:34 -0800
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- From: Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
- Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
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- > From: CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
- Mart y writes.
-
- > It appears to me that Montgomery's objection to mockery as a discursive
- > technique reflects his belief that it is an inefficient means. He has
- > suggested on more than one occasion that mockery is not likely to
- > alter the opinions held by one's opponent. That may be, but even so it
- > is something of an oversimplification. In many arguments, the
- > contenders have no hope of persuading one another, but wish to attract the
- > undecided. Is there any doubt that ridiculing and mocking one's
- > opponent and his beliefs and behavior is a highly effective means to this
- > end? Further, is it not the case that truly effective mockery often
- > reflects a deep understanding of the opponent and her beliefs and behaviors?
-
- It wasn't a main point, only a side observation. I suspect that it
- is pretty fruitless to think in terms of persuading some away from their
- deeply held beliefs, anyway.
-
- > I think any assertion that mockery is ineffective will ultimately be
- > insupportable. If there is a rigorous principled argument against mockery,
- > I would certainly like to hear it.
- I'm sure it can be most effective, but for what purposes, and are they
- worth pursuing? The criticism isn't against mockery per se; it is against
- the mocking of deeply held beliefs.
-
- > I've mentioned Swift, Voltaire, and Aristophanes as well-known mockers; I
- > should add Twain as well.
-
- I'm not at all sure that satire and mockery can be equated. Reflecting
- someone's foibles in a somewhat exaggerated way, is not the same thing
- as making fun of their deep convictions. Mocking a person's
- actions because they run counter to that person's professed beliefs
- is entirely understandable. Another satirist you've missed is Henry
- Fielding. It's a while since I've looked at _Joseph Andrewes_, but as
- I remember, it has a delightful little essay at the beginning about
- this subject.
-