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- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:56:12 -0800
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- From: Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
- Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
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- > From: torkel@SICS.SE
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- > are really nothing to the point. First, there is still no explanation of
- > why you object to mockery, but not to attacks and denigration. Surely
- > everything you say about mockery being an obstacle to understanding etc
- > could as well be said about attacks and denigration? Second, supposing I
- > have formed an opinion of certain deeply held beliefs, which I believe
- > I understand well enough, why should I abstain from mocking them, on your
- > view?
-
- Seeing as how you and Marty want to do all my thinking for me, I should
- probably just sit back and let you two do ALL the work. It might be
- interesting to learn what I do think about this subtle distinction.
-
- Let's see now. I have a discussion with Hitler about racial purity.
- He tells me how great it all is, and I point out to him what I TRULY
- think (and TRUTH here is an important factor, although I suspect it
- is yet another victim of current attitudes). I explain my points clearly,
- and indicate the fundamental evil that I see in what he is preaching.
- In effect, I engage in a complete analysis which produces a large
- inventory of all the things I find wrong with his point of view,
- why I find them wrong and the degree to which (beneath contempt, etc)
- I find them wrong. I also say -- I don't intend to offend you by these
- statements. I am simply trying to communicate to you the full dimensions
- of my disapprobation, so you will know what they are. Seems to me that
- there is no room for mockery in such an approach, if I do want to know
- that he has heard me, and respects what I say, even if he most strenuously
- disagrees with me. As soon as I start to make fun of what he thinks
- (which, I guess, is my definition of mockery), I probably put him off to
- the point that further discussion is useless.
-
- I guess (but I'm sure you can tell me much better) the reason I dislike
- the idea of belittling even the most contemptible of deeply held beliefs
- is precisely because they are so DEEPLY held. I admire commitment of
- the will in a world which does its best all day long to avoid even think-
- ing about commitment. DEEP conviction reaches to the most fundamentally
- human elements in a person. To mock such commitments then, is to mock
- humanness itself, even when those convictions seem to run counter to
- human values to the 'nth degree. It is almost a truism that deeply com-
- mitted opponents in a war also have VERY deep respect for their enemies,
- even while loathing all that those enemies stand for. Probably the
- greatest single reason that the US lost the Vietnam War (its second
- loss in history, btw. The first was to Canada), was its lack of respect
- for its enemy. That lack was rooted in its own lack of respect for
- itself in the war -- no deep commitment on the basis of deeply held
- convictions. No bloody wonder it's such a national nightmare for so
- many US people.
-