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- From: torkel@SICS.SE
- Newsgroups: bit.listserv.words-l
- Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
- Message-ID: <9212211743.AA25305@bast.sics.se>
- Date: 21 Dec 92 17:43:32 GMT
- Sender: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
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- Comments: To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
- In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun,
- 20 Dec 92 23:56:29 -0800. <9212211638.AA01722@sics.se>
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- >If you really want discussion about respect for deeply held beliefs,
- >and whether it is bigotry to mock such beliefs, even when they are
- >repugnant to all commonly held standards of humanity, then go to your
- >supreme court and look at all the discussions about upholding the right
- >to free speech. Personally, I don't see what there is to discuss. It's
- >a matter of values. Either you choose to respect or you don't. If you
- >don't then you can't expect anyone else to respect what you hold dear.
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- All of this would make a lot more sense if you had tried to explain what
- you mean by respecting deep beliefs. Earlier you seemed to emphasize
- "mocking" as constituting disrespect, but it was far from clear what
- you had in mind, since you preferred not to answer questions about it.
- Now you seem to emphasize "the right to free speech", but this,
- surely, is a very different matter from "the right not to be mocked".
- Using ordinary language, fierce champions of the right to free speech
- (such as J.S.Mill) usually say that all doctrines, no matter how
- revolting and unworthy of any respect, must be allowed to be
- presented. And they do not usually suggest that the opponents of
- those doctrines should not be allowed to "mock" them. So if it is a
- question of values, you simply haven't explained which values you are
- talking about. Your comments seem to me to underline once more how
- difficult it is for many people to enter into any discussion of the
- *contents* of their assertions, and how they all but automatically
- assume that those who ask what they mean are out to get them.
-