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- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 15:26:00 EST
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- Subject: RE: High school/college comp courses
- In-Reply-To: FRANKLIN AT BRANDEIS.BITNET -- Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:31:00 EST
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- George,
-
- Your post hit right at what I was saying about explaining the context in
- which we deal with our students: My students can't write a good narrative,
- and no wonder; many of them claim they do more writing in my classes than
- they did in all four years of high school. Obviously, you and I can't teach
- the same way because our students' abilities differ so markedly.
-
- As I have been reading what everyone else has to say, I find mysekf getting
- more and more discouraged about teaching composition at all. I have to say,
- I agree with many of the points Sharon raises against freshman comp. To her
- points I would add the following:
-
- 1. One problem with FE is that it's full of freshmen. They really DO come
- to college expecting it to be just like high school, and there are 24 of
- them and only one of me. It takes several weeks to change those
- expectations as they relate to the course dynamics--you know, to convince
- them that they have to read the syllabus and that they really WON'T get
- credit for papers turned in without drafts, etc. I'm not sure their minds
- ever get changed about more substantive matters. At any rate, the first few
- weeks feel like high school to me.
-
- 2. Another problem, raised by somebody already, is that FE is required of
- EVERYONE. This fact, too, pushes the "I'm-in-high-school-again" button and
- activates the resistance response. I can't blame them for hating to be told
- what to do; I hate it, too.
-
- 3. The teacher-student relationship is NEVER going to allow for true
- collaboration among equals. I might want us to be equals, at least where
- the student's writing is concerned, but the student never forgets that I am
- the one assigning a grade. My opinion counts more than anyone else's; in
- writing classes where I require students to peer-edit each others' papers, I
- inevitably get several comments to the effect that peer editing is a waste
- of time for the reviewer, and all the writer needs is to hear what I think.
-
- 4. As David Schwalm has pointed out already, times are tough. We are going
- to be asked to do more with less, all across the board. As we've all
- attested, we don't teach in a perfect world as it is, and the world is going
- to get more flawed all the time, at least with respect to money for writing
- programs.
-
- SO, why not abolish Freshman Comp as we now know it?? Why not offer greatly
- expanded writing centers, staffed by part-timers who could get paid an
- honest wage for 20 hours' work a week, instead of getting paid for 20 but
- doing 80? And et's let everyone across campus grumble about how badly
- students write--and then send them to the Center. Students would be there
- because they had direct motivation for being there (like, they're about to
- fail a course in their major), the default level of instruction would be
- one-on-one, and it would save a lot of money.
-
- We may not have a choice about whether or not to take these kinds of
- measures in the future.
-
- Marcy Bauman Penn State-Erie
-