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- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:53:54 -1000
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- From: James Shimabukuro <JAMESS@UHUNIX.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: Standard English
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- On Tue, 22 Dec 1992, David E. Schwalm wrote:
-
- > When a course is required of all
- > students in a university, there ought to be agood reason for requiring it,
- > e.g. that students will learn something that will be of use to them in the
- > course of their college education and thereafter. Then, given thatthe course
- > is required of all students, I think they have a right to expect a reasonable
- > degree of uniformity between one section and another. They are supposed to be
- > taking "the same course."
-
- I agree.
-
- > In this context, each instructor doing his or her
- > own thing is bad.
-
- Again, I question your logic. Uniformity of course
- oblectives/competencies is one thing; however, the freedom to decide
- how to achieve those ends is another. One does not preclude the other.
- Furthermore, "each instructor doing his or her own thing" is not
- necessarily "bad." (Whatever happened to the ideal of diversity that
- drives our art?)
-
- > How strict we want the limits to be on that "thing" may vary
- > with the kinds of instructors we have. While some novices may be good writing
- > teachers, most are not.
-
- Again, your generalization disturbs me. My sense is that those new to our
- profession are drawn to the field by a number of factors: (A) they've had
- good experiences with writing teachers (A. J. Alexander, where are you?) or
- teachers who stress writing, (B) they enjoy and are successful at writing
- and want to share their interest and knowledge, (C) they enjoy working with
- college students, (D) they enjoy the company of other writing teachers.
- There are more, I'm sure. Thus, even before the first class, he/she
- already has a pretty good idea of what the goals are and how to achieve
- them. After so many years of schooling, a new teacher is hardly unaware
- of what good teaching is. Furthermore, I don't see growth in teaching
- ability as a linear process; that is, a person doesn't automatically
- improve with every class taught. Teaching is a messy business. There are
- so many variables: students, physical classroom, time of day, instructor's
- attitude, current events, etc. The fact that the elements all come
- together to create a terrific teaching/learning experience is often
- due to chance. And we learn from these accidents.
-
- > There are things to be known about making good
- > assignments; one can learn how to develop engaging and useful classroom
- > activities; it helps if instructors known something about rhetoric; one can
- > learn ways to use computers in the writing classroom.
-
- I agree.
-
- > I think good teachers can be made; relatively few good teachers are born.
-
- I don't want to get into the nature/nurture issue. My sense is that
- it's a combination of both.
-
- > Yeah, I suppose a WPA in a
- > program like ASU's has some sort of power (but laughably little in the great
- > scheme of things), but in this case maybe knowledge is power.
-
- This is not the message that came across in the post I responded to.
-
- > I know quite a
- > bit about teaching writing, and I am better qualified than most of our TAs to
- > judge whether or not an assignment is trivial, undoable, easy, or difficult.
-
- I make a distinction between "knowing about teaching writing" and "being
- able to teach effectively." Again, there are too many variables to even
- begin to form an equation. (Thus, teaching is still more an
- artistic, creative performance than an exact, formulaic science. And
- I might add that that's why many of us are drawn to it and are able to
- teach the same courses year after year. No two classes are alike!) What's
- undoable for one may not be undoable for all.
-
- > James, you seem to be proposing that knowledge counts for nothing in the
- > teaching of writing and that I should not attempt to get what I know
- > aboutteaching writing integrated into our writing program.
-
- No.
-
- > Sorry, but I do
- > make a distinction between our TAs and myself: I know more than they do.
-
- You and your TAs are individuals. But knowledge is relative. To teach, I
- would think that one must first be a good learner. Don't we learn from
- our students? I'm a part of the writer's audience; as such, I expect
- essays that enlighten, enlarge, and entertain. By sharing in the
- student's efforts, by working with him, I learn how to inspire, encourage, and
- help. I grow from the interaction, and I hope that the student does, too.
- Students don't come to us half empty; TAs don't, too.
-
- > I
- > have devoted good portion of my life to gaining that knowledge. Should I just
- > keep it to myself?
-
- Sometimes, perhaps. ;)
-
- > The TAs and I are a "we" in that we are engaged in the
- > common enterprise of trying to help students learn to write. In any case, many
- > of our finest instructors are people who are knowledgeable about rhetoric and
- > composition, who knowledgeable about teaching, and who have much experience in
- > the classroom.
-
- I agree.
-
- > In what other field would we argue that the best practitioner
- > is the one with the least knowledge and experience?
-
- I don't believe a medical/technical model is appropriate for the art and
- science of teaching composition.
-
- > The subtext of a lot of
- > discussion on various lists these days is that many people have lost so much
- > confidence in their own knowledge that they are reluctant to presume to teach
- > others.
-
- Perhaps that confidence needs to be rattled now and then. I'm inclined to
- think that we have more questions than answers in our field. Instead of
- teaching others, maybe we ought to be learning from, collaborating with,
- one another.
-
-
- Jim Shimabukuro
-
-
- P.S. Merry Christmas. Mele Kalikimaka.
-