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- From: "Bruce E. Nevin" <bnevin@CCB.BBN.COM>
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- [From: Bruce Nevin (Wed 921230 15:52:04)]
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- (Ed Ford (Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:18:04) ) --
-
- Once Mohandas Gandhi was asked by a reporter what he thought of
- Christian civilization. "I think," he said, "that it would be a
- very good idea."
-
- Here is the Chesterton quote:
-
- "The Christian ideal," it is said, "has not been tried
- and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left
- untried."
- _What's Wrong with the World_ (1910)
-
- Re beliefs and imagination, a twist with a holiday theme:
-
- I just heard with half an ear on NPR something about a recent
- study of obesity at Columbia and Cornell. Those who failed to
- lose weight turned out not to be reporting accurately either how
- much they actually ate or how much they actually exercised--and
- they appeared not to be registering these perceptions accurately
- themselves. They were eating roughly twice as much as they
- recorded themselves eating. The added calories and reduced
- exercise accounted quite well for the differences in weight loss
- (or gain) with respect to those who did well on the test diet.
-
- Is it simply a matter of not attending? Or of attending to
- imagined perceptions at the expense of actual ones? Or some
- combination of phasing out at critical junctures, and then
- substituting imagined perceptions that are comforting? (Perhaps
- "comforting" means "satisfying control of higher-level perceptions?)
-
- Simply paying careful attention when one finds oneself indulging
- in a "bad" behavior (you're trying to quit smoking, say, and
- suddenly become aware that a cigarette is somehow in your fingers
- and that you have just lit it). Simply paying careful attention,
- without judgement or emotional reaction, seems often to be a
- prerequisite to subsequent change. Maybe we can now explain this
- phenomenon.
-
- All the "religious" practices that seem to me to be serious (as
- opposed to being mere social and cultural institutions) have at
- their heart some form of individual practice that could be called
- meditation. Coming to one's senses, in place of customary
- fantasies. The distinction between religious experience and
- religious institutions is fundamental. Ideally, the latter
- support the former. But given the former, you don't need any of
- the latter. And in the absence of the former, the latter are
- worse than empty shells.
-
- When we pay attention to our active perceptions, it seems to me
- that there is a lot more going on than our philosophies or
- imaginations dream of. It does make sense that imagination would
- simplify things by leaving levels below the imagination loop out
- of account.
-
- Bruce
- bn@bbn.com
-