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- From: mjvande@pbhye.PacBell.COM (Mike Vandeman)
- Subject: Re: Cars as "something better"
- Reply-To: mjvande@PacBell.COM (Mike Vandeman)
- Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:55:32 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.145532.7225@pbhye.PacBell.COM>
- References: <1992Dec15.021035.29683@netcom.com> <1992Dec17.214751.17474@Veritas.COM> <1992Dec18.194051.23452@adobe.com> <1992Dec22.010427.3994@Veritas.COM>
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- -year head start, is now rarly used? Or the one which pays for itself,
- -and is heavily used?
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- If you still think cars "pay for themselves", you haven't been listening.
-
- -Do you want to build your 21 century system out of the 20 century's
- -failure, or its success?
-
- As sustainable transportation, cars are a failure.
-
- --1) ... It has progressed
- --as far as it has only because the substantial external costs have
- --been ignored or institutionalized until now.
- -
- -I know this is part of the mass transit dogma, but you igore the
- -massive external costs of mass transit: my time! You also ignore
-
- I don't. Cars waste more time, because they cause drivers to waste
- their time. On transit, 100% of the time is useful time for me.
-
- --As we begin to account
- --for these "hidden" costs -- an essential "market" step in moving the
- --world economy toward sustainability -- the real costs of driving will
- --be more apparent, and "better" will take on a new meaning.
- -
- -I'm all in favor of this process, and if it leads to mass transit,
- -so be it. In fact, I suspect it will lead to better pollution control
- -for cars, which is a good thing IMHO. As well as better control
-
- Transit still comes out far ahead of the auto. And more important, by
- 2020 we won't have affordable fuel for more than a few cars.
-
- -Trains pollute a lot. The CalTrain pollute as much as 600 cars, so
- -if you are on a train with less than 600 people, you would pollute
- -less by driving.
-
- So electrify it.
-
- -Trains are typically slower than cars. For example, driving in SF at
- -rush hour takes as long as taking the train. Driving at any other
- -time of day is 30%-50% faster.
-
- As I said before, this is a fallacy. Train use maximizes my available
- and useful time.
-
- --To offer time-efficient
- --alternatives to auto use, we need a frequent and fairly speedy backbone
- --or grid. Trains are here -- let's develop them into this backbone.
- -
- -We could build this backbone out of cars -- they are here also. They
- -are faster, far more flexible, pollute less, but are politically
-
- You are living in a fantasy world.
-