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- Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:36:06 EST
- From: <HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
- Message-ID: <92358.123606HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
- Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
- Subject: Re: History
- References: <BzMx11.HCE@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>
- Lines: 62
-
- In article <BzMx11.HCE@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>,
- mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) says:
- >
- >This is in direct response to Herschel (sp?) 's contention that "history"
- >isn't considered sexist by ANY feminist. He/She asked for references
- >which disprove this conjecture. Also, he/she contended that "herstory"
- >isn't used seriously and people refer to it in jocular exchanges. He/she
- >asked me to provide an example where such a reference isn't jocular.
- >
- >Reference : Robin Lakoff : "Language and Women's place". 45-80.
- >
- >Lakoff considers the argument for changing the word "history". The
- >argument goes as follows. A part of the word "history" is the masculine
- >"his" (you can read the word as "his story") but women also make history;
- >therefore, the usage demeans women.
-
- Yes, my name is Herschel, which is a somewhat unusual name borne only,
- to my knowledge, by males. I thought I'd begin with this so that one
- thing at least would be made immediately clear to you.
-
- You predictably misstate my earlier challenge to you, which was to
- give published references showing some feminists proposing to replace
- the word "history" with the word "herstory". You have not done so.
- Unfortunately my university library lists the status of its copy
- of Lakoff's book (whose title you have wrong) as "reported missing",
- so I am unable to judge for myself what it says. However, in your
- summary it's hard to tell whether Lakoff is arguing that the use
- of the word "history" demeans women or is merely referring to others
- who make that claim. Could you give us some actual quotations from
- the book? Please don't be insulted, but I haven't got much reason
- to expect you to summarize it honestly. Perhaps someone else with
- access to this book could do so? It's rather difficult for me to
- believe it says what Mandar seems to be saying it says: Lakoff
- is a linguist, for god's sake.
-
- > Yes, I agree that *most* women don't find "history" demeaning. But
- >I place before you the irrefutable proof that *some* women, very
- >obviously, do find it demeaning.
- >
-
- Er...no, you haven't really.
-
- >
- >Now for the word "herstory". It will surprise you H. Brown that there
- >is a BOOK entitled Herstory.
- >
- >Herstory : A woman's view of American history - Sochen June.
- >
-
- That's "Browne", but you may call me Herschel. No, this does not
- surprise me. My field is history, so it's my business to know the
- things that go on there. Even though I don't "do" American history,
- I was familiar with this book. You will find, if you look into it,
- that the author uses the word "history" and derived words all through
- it. She uses "herstory" to make a point. There's also a book by
- the late Fredy Perlman called _Against His-Story, Against Leviathan_.
- And he was a *gulp* MAN! In other words, so what?
-
- H.
-
- Herschel Browne
- "The" American University
-