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- From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
- Subject: Re: Radical feminists
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:05:11 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec22.060721.14701@ra.msstate.edu> wkl1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Wing-Keong Loke the consummate chronic prevaricator) writes:
- >In article <BzMzC5.Inq@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
- >>
- >> Just how far should we allow this assault on the English language
- >>
- >> Clearly, words such as "mankind" weren't deemed to be sexist by
- >>most women, before these radical feminists started their tirade. Stop
- >>misguiding people, you chauvinists!
- >>
- >> Mandar.
- >>--
- >
- > You engage in the fallacy that most people mean what they say
- >and say what they mean, which implies that most people don't always
- >know what they think and think what they know.
-
- I really have no idea what you're talking about. Could you please
- elaborate on that?
-
- > On a side note, what do you mean by "Clearly?" Should I take
- >it that you didn't have the intention of being precise but wanted to
- >convey a certain tone by the usage of "Clearly?" You know, if someone
- >argues with your logic, then it cannot be clear enough.
-
- Depends upon to *whom* it isn't clear.
-
- >Or perhaps I
- >should read something extra into your usage of the word "Clearly" by
- >saying that your tone is one of angry frustration and the metaphor
- >"Clearly" is intended to put down the opposing side by making them
- >look stupid for not seeing what is clearly so clear to you?
-
- I wasn't angry or frustrated; simply disgusted. And the usage of the
- word "clearly" wasn't intended to "put down" anyone. The fact is
- supported by the statements I had made.
-
- > Similarly, am I trying to mock you by my usage of the word
- >"clearly" or am I just trying to show you how slippery language]
- >can be?
-
- I *agree* that language can be slippery. I just hope these "unambiguous"
- writers would realise that.
-
- >
- > You really don't seem to understand the value of feminism--radical
- >or not.
-
- I *do*. As long as it isn't applied to irrelevant purposes - such as
- "reforming" the language.
-
- >Like all good literary theories: deconstruction, Saussurean
- >linguistics, reader response criticism, marxism, structuralism, formalism,
- >or hermeneuitics,
-
- I'll have to look up some of those. Anyway, did any of these "reform"
- language?
-
-
- >feminism opens the way for all of us to view things in
- >another different and new way.
-
- Exactly!
-
- >Your reaction, I sense, is not against
- >the feminist movement itself but, perhaps, to the threat you feel at
- >having heretofore open space closed to you. That is, you may be reacting
- >out of personal inadequacies.
-
- No. I don't feel any kind of threat from feminists (except the radical
- ones who believe that "woman is better than man in all ways"). In fact,
- I appreciate their cause. I, however, deplore their misguided attempts
- at "reforming" language which has NOTHING to do with prejudices.
-
-
- >Now, this analysis of mine is NOT meant
- >to be some deep psychoanalysis of any kind. Rather, what I just did is
- >to ask a question that leads to a questioning of the self and the seeking
- >of the motives that drive the self.
-
- The motive which drives me is the prevention of wicked assaults carried
- out by misguided, radical feminists on the English language.
-
-
- >In this vein, one can use the question
- >and learn how and why one reacts to whatever and perhaps even learn to
- >live with ideas/things previously viewed as threats. In a very important
- >way, feminism is making us question what we do or have done, or what
- >others do or have done. The detached questioning one takes to approach
- >such new information as feminism helps one integrate that new information.
- >
-
- Indeed!
-
- >blah, blah, blah ...
- >
-
- chatter chatter! ;)
-
- >wing
- >
-
- Mandar.
- --
- "Imagine there's no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die
- for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
- You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope some
- day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
-