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- From: ens@ccu.umanitoba.ca ()
- Subject: Re: English N. Sg. w/Pl. Agreement
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- References: <BzMuyJ.FyD@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> <12189@kesson.ed.ac.uk> <38085@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> <1992Dec31.014810.8852@mri.com> <C04qL0.GvF@world.std.com> <hayesstw.154.725822187@risc1.unisa.ac.za>
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:11:26 GMT
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- (Steve Hayes) writes:
- >(Joseph C Fineman) writes:
- >>>(David A. Johns writes:
-
- >>>>Yes, yes -- the government have decided -- a barbarism no American
- >>>>would think of uttering.
-
- >Not necessarily... there are collective nouns that can be singular or plural
- >depending on the context.
-
- >"The government has decided" means that the institution as a whole has
- >resolved on some course of action.
-
- >"The government have decided" implies that the individual members of the
- >government were debating a point, and reached agreement.
-
- I wouldn't infer a difference between the uses, and your expansions
- don't seem very different. To my ears 'the government' is always
- grammatically singular, 'the government members" plural.
-
- >Do you say "This data is... " or "These data are ..."
- >surely it depends on whether you are speaking of the collection as a unit,
- >or the collection as a collection.
-
- In formal writing, singular 'data' is very rare, although it is not
- uncommon in speech. In my experience, the meaning is not usually
- affected by the grammatical treatment of 'data'. If it is really
- necessary to refer to a singular collection of data (say in comparison
- to another collection), 'data set' is often used.
-
- Werner
-
-