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- From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
- Subject: Re: Radical feminists
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.060618.2512@Princeton.EDU>
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- References: <Bzoo4r.830@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> <1992Dec22.235322.14850@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <Bzqry0.JBH@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:06:18 GMT
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- In article <Bzqry0.JBH@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec22.235322.14850@bmerh85.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
- >>In article <Bzoo4r.830@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
-
- >>>The motive which drives me is the prevention of wicked assaults carried
- >>>out by misguided, radical feminists on the English language.
- >>language to help reduce its inherent sexism. So you can't say you
- >>haven't called me a "misguided, radical feminist", as you claimed in
- >>another post. You've made it very clear what you think of people who
- >>don't share your views on language.
-
- >I would consider you to be a person who's misguided by radical feminists.
-
- How the hell would you know that? You don't know anything *about*
- radical feminists, and you've done a good job of proving that.
-
- >[...lines where she calls me a prescriptivist, deleted....]
-
- > I am not a prescriptivist.
-
- Huh? You insist on an artificial standard for the language and you're
- not a prescriptivist? You insist on some artificial standard for the
- generic singular and you're not a prescriptivist?
-
- I think you don't know what "prescriptivist" means.
-
- Especially since you told us you were changing Lennon's words to make
- them more "correct."\
-
- >But I am against "artificially"
- >reforming language. Let the language take its own course. Let the
- >speakers use it as they would wish to. We don't need any radical
- >feminists to brainwash us into thinking that some word is sexist,
- >and some other isn't, and so, the latter should be used instead
- >of the former.
-
- How do you know they don't have some truth in some of their arguments?
-
- You *can't* know that if you don't know their arguments, which you
- have amply demonstrated that you don't.
-
- Moreover, they don't claim that words are sexist, but that certain USES
- of those words are sexist. Uses of words are ACTS -- and there are
- certainly sexist acts, including speech acts.
-
- >As long as there are people who don't find these
- >words sexist, nor have any intention of using them to demean
- >women, there is no justification for dropping the use of these
- >words.
-
- Fine. So if there are some people out there who don't mean anything
- derogatory in calling you a wog, or an African-American a nigger, it's
- OK to use those words?
-
- Roger
-