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- From: kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l)
- Subject: Re: Lifestyle Choices and Secular Reasoning
- Message-ID: <C0AzLt.DD2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- References: <1992Dec30.185545.26789@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> <C07oBz.F74@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan2.235727.5838@netcom.com> <1993Jan3.033411.29928@news.columbia.edu>
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- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:20:03 GMT
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- rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Johnston) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan2.235727.5838@netcom.com> howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey) writes:
- >>In article <C07oBz.F74@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes:
- >>>ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
- >>>
- >>>>In article <1992Dec30.162502.6756@asl.dl.nec.com> dillhoff@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Doug Dillhoff) writes:
- >>>>> In article <1992Dec29.233922.2539@netcom.com> harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
- >>>>>
- >>>>All people are asking is that unless you can come up with some
- >>>>*secular* reason for why their lifestyle choice is bad, you grant
- >>>>them the same rights they are willing to grant you: the right to
- >>>>live their life without persecution.
- >>>
- >>>Why is *secular* reasoning superior to religious reasoning?
- >>>
- >>
- >>Because not everyone gives a damn about religion. The majority of the
- >>world population isn't Christian. (Although Catholicism is the
- >>largest single religion). Besides, 'religious reasoning' sounds like
- >>an oxymoron.
- >>
- >>Andrew Jackson had a lot to say about avoiding religious arguments
- >>pertaining to legislation.
- >>
- >>> [loads of opinionated attacks on secular reasoning deleted]
- >>
- >>Look, whatever your opinion of secular reasoning, religiously
- >>justified 'reasoning' has a pretty poor history as well. The Catholic
- >>church is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths alone. Look
- > ^^^^^^^^^
- >>at Hezbollah for a good example of religious 'reasoning'.
- >>
- >>-Howard
- >>
- >>
- >Shouldn't that be millions?
-
- Millions should be used in reference to those wars started since
- "the Age of Reason". No matter how you add the numbers, more people
- have been killed by the judicious application of science in support
- of secular reasons for killing than have been killed by all wars of
- religion combined.
-
- Steve Kellmeyer
- --
-
- Steve Kellmeyer
- kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
-