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- From: jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.)
- Subject: Re: Discrimination
- Message-ID: <C0AMor.KDv@andy.bgsu.edu>
- Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
- References: <nate.1010@psygate.psych.indiana.edu>
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- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 19:41:15 GMT
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- nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
- > jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.) writes:
- >>jpsb@NeoSoft.com (Jim Shirreffs) writes:
- >>> Get your hair cut, get damn job, and don't brother us
- >>> until you can make these tuff decisions for yourself.
- >
- >> Actually, this isn't a tough decision, excepting as it
- >>conflicts legally and ethically with all other forms of
- >>discrimination. Why should males be forced to conform to
- >>certain standards which no one anywhere else is forced to
- >>conform to such standards. It'd look rather funny if all women
- >>were suddenly forced to get their hair hair cut short, not
- >>allowed to wear makeup, forced to only where suits and
- >>ties, no jewelry allowed except weeidng bands, etc...
- >
- > I'm afraid that I find your moral dilema less convincing when you try
- > to justify it on those grounds. Males are *not* the only ones who are
- > 'forced' to conform to standards. Certainly the standards are different
- > for different groups and under different circumstances, but that *can't*
- > be what's bugging you unless you're one of those people who tries to use
- > a screwdriver to hammer in nails.
-
- I know that males are not the only ones discriminated against,
- on the lines of discrimination I was using as an example. It's just
- that to base a hiring policy on such grounds may be considered to be
- unfair (as are other examples.) Having never really been in the
- private sector of the job market, I didn't know what to expect. Then,
- when so many people around me started insisting that I had to have
- a haircut just to go in for an interview, it seemed as though the
- job market may well be unfairly discriminatory. Considering many
- of the responses I've received, especially e-mail, it seems as
- though this isn't as prevalent as some people here around me may
- have implied.
-
- As for pounding nails with a screwdriver ... I haven't done
- that often. Just when I'm trying to set a finishing nail and I
- don't have a punch handy. Then I might use a very small screwdriver
- as a punch... :)
-
- >
- >> Personally, I'm flexible on the issue. I had to be if
- >>I was in the military for eight years with short hair, I'll
- >>live with it again if it's that necessary. But when everyone
- >>around me tells me to get a haircut for a job interview with
- >>no logical basis behind their statements whatsoever, other
- >>that to conform to some social standard or possibly be
- >>discriminated against during job selection, I can't justify
- >>that as a direct reason for doing it.
- >
- > If you don't consider the possibility of not getting a job because of
- > having long hair a logical reason for cutting your hair then I'm not sure
- > what to tell you. There really isn't much rhyme or reason to it besides
- > that, and that rule is *not* cast in stone. I've known plenty of long-
- > haired software jugglers, but in practically every case those guys had
- > effectively 'earned' the privelage of having long hair by having superlative
- > skills which tipped any balance in their favor. If you feel that your skills
- > are good enough to tip the balance for you then by all means keep your long
- > hair. In some ways it might be a psychological advantage in that it sort
- > of projects the image that *you* think your skills are good enough that
- > your hair doesn't matter. Maybe that's enough.
-
- Which is exactly as I'd wish to be judged by an employer
- at an interview, by skills and abilities alone. I'm confident in
- my abilities as a programmer, within the bounds of that which
- I've already learned and know, although I can admit that I've
- still got a lot to learn when it comes to programming, as well.
- But then, is it possible for any programmer to truly know it
- all? There may well be a small few, but I'm forced to think
- that it would be almost impossible.
-
- Well, hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to post some really
- GOOD news. But keeping with proper net protocol, I'll stick it
- on alt.good.news...
-
- Jim
-
-
-