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- From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
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- Subject: Re: Lifestyle Choices and Secular Reasoning
- Message-ID: <C0AIJ9.D2n@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
- Date: 3 Jan 93 18:01:25 GMT
- References: <C07oBz.F74@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan2.230323.29355@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <C09Esx.9B7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1993Jan3.042053.1061@news.columbia.edu>
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- In article <1993Jan3.042053.1061@news.columbia.edu>, rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Johnston) writes...
- >In article <C09Esx.9B7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
- >>In article <1993Jan2.230323.29355@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes...
- >>>In article <C07oBz.F74@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes:
- >>>>right to divorce their parents.
- >>>
- >>>I totally agree with her, children are not slaves or property, parents are
- >>>there to provide for and protect children.
- >>
- >>And hopefully to teach them their values.
- >>
- >
- >Even more hopefully, to teach their children to think, so that their
- >children can make informed decisions about their own values.
- >
- >>>
- >>>>Or if the "child" no longer exists, legally, because that
- >>>>child has been ruled an adult by the courts?
- >>>>
- >>>>Why is incest wrong, by secular reasoning?
- >>>
- >>>Because it produces genetic diseases.
- >>
- >>Promiscuity propogates all kinds of diseases, many of them fatal.
- >>
- >>What's your point?
- >>
- >
- >You have conveniently trimmed the bit where the previous author said
- >he would have no problem with incest, if not for the purpose of
- >child bearing.
-
- No, it wasn't out of convenience. It wasn't relevant to my point, so
- I trimmed it to shorten my posting. If you think it matters, tell me
- why.
-
- Regardless, I fail to see the difference, whether it's genetic disease
- by incest, or pathogenic disease from promiscuity.
-
- My argument stands.
-
- [...bunch of stuff deleted only to save space ...]
-
- >
- >
- >
- >>>
- >>>>Especially now that the AZT-resistant strains are obviously being spread
- >>>>by precisely these people? According to secular reasoning, a drunk driver
- >>>>and a sexually active AIDS carrier are no different.
- >>>
- >>>No according to religious reasoning they are no different.
- >>>In secular reasoning the idea of consent plays a role. An HIV+ rapist is a
- >>>murderer if someone dies as a result. A person who chooses to have sex with
- >>>someone who is HIV+ and dies as a result was not murdered.
- >>
- >>But, if an HIV+ partner deliberately lies or fails to inform even a willing
- >>sex partner that he or she is infected, and the uninformed, albeit willing
- >>partner contracts aids and dies, then yes, it most certainly should be
- >>at least "manslaughter".
- >>
- >
- >So, you are saying that if you have sex with someone, you are
- >resposible for conditions that might result from this act. I guess
- >you DO believe in child support after all.
- >
- >You wouldn't ever be inconsistent in your beliefs, after all.
-
- I'm quite consistent in my "beliefs". I fail to see your reasoning here.
-
- I never even implied that both sex partners are not responsible, because
- they are. But, only as far as consenting to having sex.
-
- But, the fact remains that anyone who knowingly puts another (who isn't
- aware) at risk, causing the uninformed person to die, is a criminal.
-
- Period.
-
- If the consenting partner _knows_ about the other partners AIDS problem,
- that's a different story altogether.
-
- No amount of secular reasoning can twist this.
-
- BTW: Your attempt to show me inconsistent by equating childbirth with
- contracting AIDS is a low-blow, and doesn't mean diddly. Surely you
- can do better than that.
-
- Jim Graham
-
- -> ->Disclaimer: I do not speak for my company. <- <-
- Neither do they speak for me.
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